[Advaita-l] Fwd: Rama and Krishna are Jiva-s - Mahabharata

Kalyan kalyan_kg at yahoo.com
Tue May 23 13:44:01 EDT 2017

Dear Sri Aathreya

Please see my previous posts in this thread. I have opposed the jIvatva of Rama and Krishna and defended their Ishwaratva. Hope that clarifies my position.


On Tue, 5/23/17, Ganu <aathreya18 at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fwd: Rama and Krishna are Jiva-s - Mahabharata
 To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>, "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
 Cc: "Vidyasankar Sundaresan" <svidyasankar at gmail.com>
 Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 3:28 PM
 This is
 pointless, you guys discussing on Jivatva of Rama or Krishna
 or not even a percent of how they engaged themselves in
 Brahmavaada. One must remember what Sri Krishna says in BG
 that he is the Lord of all beings and descends in the form
 he wills. This is an absolute heresy to Shankara vaada as
 well. Whoever however big have purported the idea of Rama or
 Krishna as Jivas are wrong and  take a view which is shruti
 Thank you,
 On 23-May-2017 10:52
 PM, "Kalyan via Advaita-l" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 Vidyasankar, I have had enough of
 your pointless posts. I am not going to reply to your
 further posts, unless you specifically address the question
 of the Atman's avidya.
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 On Tue, 5/23/17, Kalyan <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
  Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fwd: Rama and Krishna are Jiva-s
 - Mahabharata
  To: "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>,
 "Vidyasankar Sundaresan" <svidyasankar at gmail.com>
  Cc: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
 <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
 vedanta.org>, "Sriram Sankaranarayanan"
 <ssriram1992 at icloud.com>
  Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 3:04 PM
  Vidyasankar, I see that you have no answer to
  the question of the Atman's avidya and you are harping
  insignificant issues. If you want to remove me from the
  forum, feel free to do so. I have no time to write
  posts. I have nothing else to add.
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  On Tue, 5/23/17, Vidyasankar Sundaresan
  <svidyasankar at gmail.com>
   Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fwd: Rama and
  Krishna are Jiva-s - Mahabharata
   To: "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
   Cc: "A discussion group for Advaita
  Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
  "Sriram Sankaranarayanan" <ssriram1992 at icloud.com>
   Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 2:27 PM
   On Tue, May 23, 2017 at
   10:38 AM, Kalyan <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
   Yes, I was a previous member of the
  list. You can find some
   of my posts in the archives. You can
  see here for example
   I see a
   new member introduction from a Kalyan
  in Sep 2011, followed
   by some activity from a gmail account
  with a different
   username (kalyankc.81) between Oct
  2011 and Feb 2012. After
   that burst of activity, you seem to
  have dropped off the
   Advaita-L map from March 2012 onward,
  till now,
   resubscribing to the list with a
  different email ID. At
   least, I can't find anything from a
  Kalyan in the
   archives over the intervening five
   There's nothing saying that you
   shouldn't do this, although I don't
  quite recommend
   it. At the least, when you unsubscribe
  and resubscribe, you
   could be more transparent with the
  moderators in the new
   introduction note that you send
   Having said that, I dont believe I
  have to prove anything to
   you. You dont need to boss around just
  because you are a
   Ah, there is that attitude again.
   One of the jobs of a moderator is to
  keep the peace among
   list members. At this point, you
  certainly need to prove to
   us that you can participate in
  discussions with other
   members of this list in a civil manner
  and that you can
   express your disagreement with their
  views in a measured
   manner, instead of getting hot under
  the collar at the
   slightest instance. In your responses
  to various list
   members in March and April of 2017,
  your content and tone
   seemed designed to make the moderators
  of this list pay
   special attention to you. If you think
  that is me bossing
   you around, you certainly need to
  rethink your expectations
   of what is involved in the moderation
  of a discussion forum
   online. You can check with the 500
  others on this list, how
   much we moderators actually boss them
   what exactly are you trying to prove
  with this belligerence
   of yours? What do you hope to achieve
  by rejoining after a
   hiatus of five years (assuming you
  were not on the list in
   the meantime anyway, under a different
  avatar) and
   immediately picking fights with list
  members and
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