[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Pāśupata, Pāncharātra, etc. composed by Śiva and Viṣṇu as mohaka śāstra

Venkatraghavan S agnimile at gmail.com
Fri Feb 17 08:45:04 EST 2017

Firstly, the puNya from different karmas are not the same and cannot give
the same results. So I am not sure how you can claim that "*this* puNya can
be got by vedabahya tantras." In fact, what the bhAShya explicitly says is
that the puNya gained from these veda bAhya systems is limited to giving
shraddhA in vedas.

I am also not sure on what basis you are concluding "They can continue to
follow the tantras and get moksha " - there is nothing in the bhAshya that
supports the view.

If the tantrAs say that by following them one can get mokshA, they are
wrong. Irrespective of what any shAstra says, mokshA is not something to be
given or taken. It is not something that is earned. The infinite achieved
by the finite is a logical fallacy. Further, if moksha occurs at a point in
time, then it did not exist before that time, and therefore has a
beginning. Whatever has a beginning must have an end. If it ends, what is
the use of such a moksha?

Therefore, the moksha that advaita talks about is quite unlike the moksha
that any other system. It is not a state that is achieved in time, it is
not going to another loka, it is simply understanding our fundamental
nature, which is mukta.  We think we are not mukta, but that is merely a
wrong notion. This wrong notion can only be corrected by right knowledge.
Knowledge is not something that is achieved by action. It has to be
generated by a pramANa.

No other pramANa that we have access to, apart from shruti, speaks about
our fundamental nature. That is why veda nishthA and shraddhA are
important.  If this appears a lame invention, then I really have nothing
further to add.


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:19 PM, D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ <
dvnsarma at gmail.com> wrote:

> Performance of Vedic ritual is to get punya(apoorva). From the bhashya it
> appears that this punya can be got by
> vedabahya tantras. In addition parameswaranugraha also. What else is
> needed? Why janmantara VedanishTha and KRitakRityata.
> They can continue to follow the tantras and get moksha. That is what
> tantras also say.
> So all this circuitous exercise is a lame invention of nanyadasthItivadins.
> A number of people who proclaim themselves to be advaitins are prachchanna
> purvamimasakas.
> They use the advaita as an armour to protect themselves from the onslaught
> of buddhists etc.

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