[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: shankara speaking on behalf of or speaking to ??
H S Chandramouli
hschandramouli at gmail.com
Wed Dec 13 00:37:30 EST 2017
Namaste Sri Ravi Ji,
What I have said does not contradict what you have quoted BSB 4-1-19.
"fruition" or "experienced" being understood as "happening". In the case of
a Jivanmukta, "experience" of prarabdha is the same as "happening" of
2017-12-13 8:07 GMT+05:30 Ravi Kiran <ravikiranm108 at gmail.com>:
> Namaste Sri Chandramouli Ji,
> From your below replies,
> > The jnani may
> > either “experience” it or allow it to just “happen” without “experience”
> > the prarabdha karma phala at his will.
> > ..the jnani does have
> > control or choice over “experience” of the same as explained above.
> >continuously established in Atmaikatva vidyA (jnana) “.
> Are you saying that, prarabdha karma fala just “happens” without
> “experience”, from this
> being continuously established in jnAna, standpoint ???
> As otherwise, prarabdha karma phala is experienced by Jivan-mukta, as Sri
> Shankara Bhagavatpada says it clearly in his BSB 4.1.19
> अनारब्धकार्ययोः पुण्यपापयोर्विद्यासामर्थ्यात्क्षय उक्तः। इतरे तु
> आरब्धकार्ये *पुण्यपापे उपभोगेन* क्षपयित्वा ब्रह्म संपद्यते तस्य तावदेव
> चिरं यावन्न विमोक्ष्येऽथ संपत्स्ये इति ब्रह्मैव सन्ब्रह्माप्येति इति च
> एवमादिश्रुतिभ्यः। ननु सत्यपि सम्यग्दर्शने यथा प्राग्देहपाताद्भेददर्शनं
> द्विचन्द्रदर्शनन्यायेनानुवृत्तम् एवं पश्चादप्युनुवर्तेत न निमित्ताभवात्।*
> उपभोगशेषक्षपणं* हि तत्रानुवृत्तिनिमित्तम् न च तादृशमत्र किंचिदस्ति। ननु
> अपरः कर्माशयोऽभिनवमुपभोगमारप्स्यते न तस्य दग्धबीजत्वात्
> मिथ्याज्ञानावष्टम्भं हि कर्मान्तरं देहपात
> उपभोगान्तरमारभेत तच्च मिथ्याज्ञानं सम्यग्ज्ञानेन दग्धम् इत्यतः साध्वेतत्
> आरब्धकार्यक्षये विदुषः कैवल्यमवश्यं भवतीति।।
> This Sutra says that the Prârabdha works are destroyed through fruition,
> and though till then the knower of Brahman has to be in the relative world
> as a Jivan-mukta, yet when these are exhausted by being worked out, he
> attains oneness with Brahman at death. He no longer sees any diversity,
> owing to the absence of any cause like the Prârabdha, and since all works
> including the Prârabdha are destroyed at death, he attains oneness with
> Brahman. [trans by Swami Vireswarananda]
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