[Advaita-l] Advaita and Madhyamika Buddhism
agnimile at gmail.com
Mon Sep 19 07:02:43 CDT 2016
No problem Chandramouliji, I presented my views, you are welcome to
The point I am making is not whether study of VichAra sAgara in particular
can lead to jnAna or not, but whether the study of any grantha that
expounds Vedanta in any language under a competent AchArya can lead to
jnAna or not. I believe it can. What is important is whether jnAna can be
created and for that one needs a pramAta, prameya and pramANa.
With respect to Atma jnAna, anything which is based on shruti in any
language can be a pramANa provided there is a competent guru who has
himself studied the shAstra and is able to correctly transmit the
There is nothing mystical about the vedic text or the Sanskrit language in
particular that precludes other texts in other languages from being able to
be a pramANa. Further, nothing mystical is needed.
If you disagree with this, that is fine, let's agree to disagree.
On 19 Sep 2016 12:44 p.m., "H S Chandramouli" <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> Namaste Sri Venkatraghavan Ji,
> I have gone through the portion mentioned by you in Vichara Sagara
> Sanskrit version by SVBS. I have also gone through the original doha itself
> by Sadhu Nishchal Das, the tika thereon by Sadhu Pitambar Das ( the work by
> SVBS is actually translation of Vichara Sagara and the tika, with his own
> additional comments) as well as the translation in kannada (of vichara
> sagara and tika) by Swami Shankarananda. From what I could gather it is
> only SVBS who has made the statement that jnana can be attained by a study
> of Vichara Sagara. Other works including the original by Sadhu Nishchal Das
> do not make such a claim. Sadhu Nishchal Das mentions that the work is
> for the benefit of common people who do not have access to Sanskrit works
> due to lack of knowledge of Sanskrit and hence has presented in a clear
> unambiguous lucid manner the truth presented in the scriptures without any
> deviations whatsoever in a familiar language namely hindi. Infact it is the
> first such work in hindi expounding the advaita sidhanta.
> SVBS himself mentions that while the other Sanskrit works etc are for
> uttama adhikAris, Vichara Sagara is for the benefit of manda adhikAris. In
> my view this does not accord well with the contention that its study can
> lead to jnana because then it should be applicable to uttama adhikAris as
> well. It may be better to understand it as arthavAda glorifying the work
> rather than to take it literally.
> Just my personal view. Opinions could differ.
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
>> Topics 12-13 (Pages 7-8) under grantha mahima (this is in the Sanskrit
>> version by SVBS) discusses this.
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM, H S Chandramouli <
>> hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Namaste Sri Venkatraghavan Ji,
>>>> Reg << This topic is briefly dealt with in a work called Vichara
>>>> Sagara - you may
>>>> be familiar with it. There the author, Nishchala dasa considers the
>>>> question whether vedAnta shAstra needs to necessarily be in the Sanskrit
>>>> language or not and concludes that 1) provided that the teaching is in
>>>> with shruti 2) is taught by a shrotriya guru, is sufficient for jnAna.
>>>> Can you please give reference to where this is stated in Vichara sagara
>>>> by SVBS.
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