[Advaita-l] Paul Hacker's erroneous view
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Sat Sep 3 11:37:50 CDT 2016
Agree with your points, Shri Praveenji.
In addition, Totakacharya, a direct disciple, doesn't leave room for
reasonable doubt in this matter by addressing his guru Shankaracharya as
भवान् भवः एव - you are verily Lord Shiva.
On 3 Sep 2016 5:30 p.m., "Praveen R. Bhat via Advaita-l" <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 7:51 PM, D Gayatri via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > On 3 September 2016 at 19:27, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l
> > <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > > In addition to Padmapadacharya, Sureshvaracharya and Totakacharya also
> > > refer to Shankaracharya as Lord Shiva himself in their works.
> > >
> > > 4.76 of Naishkarmya Siddhi
> > > विष्णोः पादानुगाम् यां निखिलभवनुदं शंकरो$वाप योगात् ।
> > > सर्वज्ञं ब्रह्मसंस्थं मुनिगणसहितं सम्यग् अभ्यर्च्य भक्त्या ।
> > > विद्यां गंगाम् इवाहम् प्रवरगुणनिधेः प्राप्य वेदान्त दीप्तं ।
> > > कारुण्यात् ताम् अवोचं जनिमृतिनिवहध्वस्तये दुःखितेभ्य: ।
> > ...
> > 2. This is an upamAna and not an incarnation theory. If you believe
> > this is an incarnation theory, then Sureshwara would be the
> > incarnation of Bhagiratha!
> Here's a flaw. The argument of upamAna cuts both ways. If this is an
> upamAna which cannot be used to prove that Sureshvaracharya considers
> Bhagavatpadacharya as Shiva avatAra, then a similar upamAna of
> Padmapadacharya cannot be use to prove that he rejects Shankaracharya as
> Shiva avatara. Moreover it could also be said that it is incorrect to say
> that Shankara is only compared to Shiva because it lacks the word iva the
> way it is used with Ganga. The argument of Bhagiratha avatAra doesn't hold
> water since the verse itself doesn't mention Bhagiratha, let alone the
> author comparing his doing with what Bhagiratha did.
> > Sureshwara describes Shankara as bearing the name of Shiva in his
> > Taittiriya vartika (bhava-nAma-bhRto-yateh, 3.10.48-49, reference,
> > Life and work of Shankaracharya, by Govind Chandra Pande). There is no
> > mention that Shankara is the incarnation of Shiva. Once again, there
> > is only a mention of similarity of names, but not identity.
> Again, let me point out the common mistake I talk of, viz. lack of mention
> of identity doesn't mean mention of lack of identity! There seems to be
> this unfounded expectation that everything must be mentioned the way one
> thinks it should be for their conviction. Be it Pande, Hacker, or anyone
> else, all the same.
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