[Advaita-l] Fwd: Why only jagat is mithya and jeeva is brahman !!??

Aurobind Padiyath aurobind.padiyath at gmail.com
Fri Mar 25 02:04:39 CDT 2016


If we look at all the examples used to explain this AdhyAropa, we can see
that there is some absolute commonality between the two. Like post and
ghost, nacre and silver, snake and rope etc. One do not see snake on a post
etc etc. So we do not need another world to do the AdhyAropa and then the
apavAda of it.
What the Advaitin want to convey is as there is a necessity for a
commonality in those examples the commonality between the apparent world
and the Ahishtana Brahman is the Sat and Chit of both. In that sense both
Brahman and Jagat is Sat, but if one is seeing sorrows or happiness and
other qualities on the world, they are imaginary and are not permanent.
When we see this aspect we say Ekatwamanupaschyati. Or  Yo mAm paschyati
Sarvatra sarvam cha mayi paschyati...etc.
We don't have to be a 7th grade or even uneducated to understand this. It's
mere commonsense.
And no fool will say he needs one more world to superimpose on another.

On 25 Mar 2016 11:38, "Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l" <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> I believe this message was not sent to the list, forwarding for the sake of
> completion.
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "SHIVPRASAD DINKAR" <harivayus at bellsouth.net>
> Date: 24 Mar 2016 10:22 p.m.
> Subject: Why only jagat is mithya and jeeva is brahman !!??
> To: "Srinath Vedagarbha" <svedagarbha at gmail.com>
> Cc: "agnimile at gmail.com" <agnimile at gmail.com>
> Unless there is Sukthi before, and Rajatha has been known earlier, no
> projection of Rajatha on Sukthi is possible.  This Sukthi is Adhishtana
> while the Rajatha seen earlier is Pradhana.  Both these are similar to each
> other.  These two are essential and sine qua non to have the illusory
> projection of Rajatha over Sukthi.  Similarly, to have illusory projection
> of Jagat, two more Jagats are necessary.  One to serve as Adhishtana and
> the other to serve as Pradhana, that are Real.  If so, then the very
> purpose of envisaging the illusory projection of the world is defeated.
> This results in a situation whereby Adwaitins would be accepting TWO REAL
> WORLDs in their illogical anxiety to deny one real world.
> Sriman Jaya Tirtha makes fun of the illogic of Adwaithis as follows in his
> Teeka for Srimad Acharya's Vishnutatwa Vinirnaya - Pinyakayachanartham
> Gathasya Pishachasya Swarithailadhana Prathigyavath Adhikaha - Aapatath.
> Regards
> Shiv
> PS:  No point in debating the logically challenged.  Most of them do not
> have the logical ability beyond than that of a 7th or 8th grader middle
> school kids.  They Will resort to circular logic, time and time again.
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