[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Why only jagat is mithya and jeeva is brahman !!??

Venkatraghavan S agnimile at gmail.com
Mon Mar 21 15:16:29 CDT 2016

Sri Srinath,

Actually we are veering from topic, so if you would like to continue this
discussion please can you create a separate thread.

Your exact question was:
<<Since truthness of pramANa is nested with in outer untruthness of
vyvahAra, it is equivalent to saying pramANa-s are not true after all?>>

We need to clarify what is meant by the terms true and untrue in your
question. One refers to validity and the other refers to existence. The
validity of vedA is self evident as it is a pramANA. The untruth you refer
to in your question refers to mithyAtvam (anirvachanIyatvam, sadasat
vilakshaNatvam) and not apramANatvam (invalidity as a pramANA).

So to answer the question you posted - no it is not equivalent to say that.

Your real question should be different - do vedAs exist in pAramArtham?
Shruti herself answers that question.

On 21 Mar 2016 7:51 p.m., "Srinath Vedagarbha" <svedagarbha at gmail.com>

> Namaste Sri.Venkataraghavan,
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Namaste Sri Srinath,
>> I can see where you are going with this :) this very question was
>> considered quite extensively in a discussion in early 2014, one in which
>> you participated (significantly), too.
>> Don't worry, I'm not stalking you, I was going through the archives to
>> understand where you were coming from.
>> Anyway your question
>> <<how does one suppose to understand truthness of a pramANa when such
>> pramANa itself is operating "as long as" one does not correctly understand
>> aikya>> is invalid.
> My question is primarily based on Acharya's reply to pUrvapaxin as stated
> by you in your earlier reply.
> It appears that there is tempral aspect to pramANyatvam of any pramANa-s
> in a way that "as long as" one is in vyavahAra, pramAna-s are not untrue
> (meaning true).
> I agree with your latest reply it seems you are saying pramaNA-s doesn't
> need the support of any other pramANA to establish its pramANatvam. But, it
> is clear from your response what happens to pramANatvam when one consider
> the fact that all pramANa-s are true "as long as" one is under vyavahAra,
> which by definition a avidyAtmaka avastha. Hence my question about truth
> nested under untruth avstha.
> /sv

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