[Advaita-l] Question? - Is Guru necessary?
kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 31 19:42:19 CST 2016
Venkatraghavanji - PraNAms
Yes we need a guru. My question is also one can listen to a sampradaya teacher on line now a days - and get clarification of the issues you have raised. Supposed I listen on line to Swami Paramarthanandaji talks - the questions you have raised will be answered. Now a days many on line talks are available to an earnest seeker.
Do I need to have a personal contact with the guru?
Can I be just a elkalavya shiya and gain the knowledge?
Should contact with the guru required on personal basis? Should be alive in Physical form?
On Sun, 1/31/16, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Question? - Is Guru necessary?
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>, "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
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Date: Sunday, January 31, 2016, 4:24 PM
I would like to say from personal experience
that a guru makes a very discernible and meaningful
difference in the understanding of shAstra.
It is the difference between learning swimming
by reading a manual versus having a live swimming instructor
next to you, teaching.
The reason is that shAstra, when approached by
an untrained mind, appears to contain several contradictions
- both within the shAstra itself and versus everyday
Sometimes vedAs extol karma, sometimes bhakti,
sometimes jnAna, sometimes dvaita, sometimes
vishishtAdvaita, sometimes advaita - which is correct? Even
when it does talk about advaita, how can one reconcile the
jagat mithyAtvam that the vedA teaches, with the very vivid,
personal (and sometimes painful) experience of reality? How
can we believe the vedA when it says we are Brahman, when
everyday reality repeatedly seems to remind us of the
powerlessness of the individual?
It's when we are faced with these multiple
questions such as these and others, that having a Guru is
invaluable - I would even say necessary. Someone who can
help interpret vedAs in accordance with a time honoured
sampradAya, someone who can lend personal credence to the
message of the vedA by the way he carries himself, and
someone who speaks with conviction when he says "tat
tvam asi" to the sishyA.
Having such a guru is a blessing indeed.
How can one go about in search for such a guru?
I would say by having strong desire to have such a guru, by
unwavering shraddhA and bhakti in Iswara and shAstra, by
regular performance of nitya karmA without seeking material
benefit and by development of sadhana chatushtaya sampatti
to the maximum extent of our ability.
Just my 2 cents worth.
On 29 Jan 2016 03:40,
"kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Shree Subbuji just posted - How one can get under the grace
of a Guru?
Here is a question I want to pose it to all.
Q. 1: Do we really need a guru?
Shastras says so - therefore we need one. Or Do we really
need to have one understand Shastras?
We do not have old gurukula system of education. We have now
Missions and Missionaries. We have now internet and on-line
discussion, talks on yu-tube or all other means to
understand the shaastras.
All we need to know is Brahma Satyam, Jangan mithyaa and
jeevo brahma eva na aparaH. This can be learned by listening
to many teachings available on line.
I understand that we need to have shraddha - Does Shraddha
comes with 'Guru or in the very teaching itself
Q2. Do we need a live guru or on-line guru? I find many
claim that Bhagavan Ramana Mahasrhi is our guru; but he is
not there in Physical form to teach. His teachings are
available - so are other on-line teachers too.
Claim: We need a teacher who himself is self realized? Well,
since there are no litmus to evaluate a particular teacher
is self-realized or not we cannot go by that rule as long as
we have the faith in the shaastras and understand clearly
I would like hear from eveyone those who are looking for a
guru and those who found their gurus and those who do not
think they do not need one (as JK - says - even though his
follower want to follow!)
Q. We have many who do not have gurus as we know - starting
with Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi himself. That he had Guru in
the last life is only justification for the axiom that one
needs a guru, since we do not Bhagavan's last janma to
make a claim
The sadhana chatushtaya sampaathi does not necessorily for
subtle inquiry does not demand a guru - it says Shraddha -
Is Shraddha in the teachings available in may ways now - not
What do you think? I am posting this to both groups to see
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