[Advaita-l] Question? - Is Guru necessary?
kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 31 01:17:38 CST 2016
I agree with your assertions. Yes I am aware of shastra's injuncitons - starting with Mundaka - gurum EVA abhigacchet..and Krishna's statement - tat viddhi praNipaatena.., etc. and also need of a sampradaaya teacher.
The reason I posed the questions is for many reasons. We have now many lists - particularly on facebook - advaitins, neo advatins and Ramana maharhsi's groups, JK groups, etc., etc There is explosion of the lists and means of communication.
Some claim that we need is experience of oneness - or Meditation even after studying Vedanta one has to meditate to experience the oneness, some just think one has to inquire just - who am I? no need to study Vedanta for that which is all intellectual stuff, etc, etc.
Some claim that my teacher is realized and he is not a Vedantin or not studied vedanta.
Some think it is just objectless awareness that one has to abide in it by dissolving all thoughts.
Now so many talks available on line on vedanta itself - including from sampradaaya teachers. Now why do I need a particular teacher or guru which is not possible in this age where there is not many gurukula systems.
Of course the other reason is I was posing a question, particularly to advaitin list where they are many silent members (close to 2000+) where we do not hear and we are not even sure whether they are here or not; and to see what their personal accounts arecas they are obviously interested in Adviata (as they have subscribed to the list) and how they are able to gain this knowledge if not via these list discussions.
Recently a hat of main moderator has been put on my head and I am trying to find whether all those subscribed are still there and who are really interested or still interested in the list serve, and if they would like to be out of the list too as for Advaita knowledge - shravana, manana and nidhidhyaasa are the only means.
On Sat, 1/30/16, Praveen R. Bhat <bhatpraveen at gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Question? - Is Guru necessary?
To: "Advaita-l" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>, "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
Cc: "advaitin" <advaitin at yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2016, 12:34 PM
I'll keep the response short and paraphrase
some of the related quotations, which are quite self-
explanatory for the most part.
First and foremost-- jnAnaM nAsti guruM
AchAryavAn labhate jnAnam
paNDitopi shAstrAnveShaNaM svataH na kuryAt
The word svAdhyAyaH in the context of Vedanta
is not svena adhyAya, study by oneself, but svasya adhyAyaH,
study about oneself, as taught by Guru.
Finally, not having a Guru means not having a
sampradAya and about such a person, Bhagavatpadacharya
says-- asampradAyavit mUrkhavat upekShaNIyaH.
I think Bhashyakara says somewhere that
it's not that Arjuna had doubts about Bhagavan Krishna
being an avatAra, but he asks nonetheless for the benefit of
others. Similarly, being an Acharya yourself, you surely
know that there are a few gurukulams, as well as many
shrotriya teachers available in flesh and blood for a
serious seeker. Yet you ask for lokasaMgraha. praNAm.
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