[Advaita-l] Varnashrama dharma begins in treta yuga?
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Sun Apr 24 07:01:53 CDT 2016
No it is not confirmed as happening in different kalpas.
I was only stating a stock reply or ruse that traditionalists employ when
they come across such uncomfortable questions.
On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Santosh Rao via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> Namskara Praveen,
> I don't read sanskrit, though I find your answer interesting. Could you
> explain further what the word used for this social class in Satya Yuga (in
> Bhagavata Purana) means? A Hare Krishna I am friendly with sent me an
> article that called this social class "hamsa caste," and that not only was
> there only one social class in Satya Yuga, there was only one Veda, and it
> wasn't until treta yuga when the social clases split into 4, and the Vedas
> split into 3....I was under the impression that Vyasa didn't split the
> Vedas until right before the beginning of Kali Yuga. Is that incorrect?
> D.V.N. Sarma,
> Is it confirmed that this is referencing two different Kalpas?
> I was already familiar with the Purusha Sukta stating that the Varnas
> sprang forth simultaneously during the creation...I advised my friend that
> in such cases we take the sruti statement as pramana over the smriti, in
> this case Bhagavata Purana. I was also going to advise him that perhaps
> this was an interpolation by the bhagavata, or pancaratra sect(s) being
> that Bhagavata Purana is mainly a "vaishnava" scripture and doesn't seem to
> come into prominence until fairly recently in comparison to other puranas.
> I also am not familiar with anything similar being said in Vishnu Purana.
> But before I tell him that, I'd rather give him accurate info, rather than
> my speculations...hence me asking the learned individuals here.
> Thank you for the replies,
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 4:22 AM, Praveen R. Bhat <bhatpraveen at gmail.com>
> > Namaste Santoshji,
> > Isn't the word used there हंसः for the social class? If so, that is not
> > the same as चतुर्वर्ण। One who knows "सः अहम्" is हंसः। Then it would
> > that in satyayuga, people of all varNas follow svadharma and because of
> > that, as per the Gita, स्वकर्मणा तम् अभ्यर्च्य सिद्धिं विन्दति मानवः।
> > (Of course, क्रमेण)।
> > This may be one way to reconcile both.
> > gurupAdukAbhyAm,
> > --Praveen R. Bhat
> > /* Through what should one know That owing to which all this is known!
> > [Br.Up. 4.5.15] */
> > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Santosh Rao via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >> in bhagavata purana 11:17:10 Krishna tells uddhava that in satya yuga,
> >> only
> >> one social class was present. He says further that it wasn't until treta
> >> yuga that the 4 varnas emanated from the purusha. Is it then correct to
> >> say
> >> that varnashrama dharma begins only from treta yuga onwards? How exactly
> >> is
> >> this to be understood?
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