[Advaita-l] Shortest Sentence in English is a Mahaa Vaakya?

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Srivathsa Rao via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Subramanian sir,
>                                 What I was asking is...Aham brahmansmi is a
> mahavakhya which directly says I am brahman or athman is
> brahman......Similarly I am asking is there any mahavakhya which directly
> says that this world is illusion or jagath mithya?
>
Yes there is a Upanisad Vaakya but it is not a Mahaa Vaakya. It is Neha
Naanaasti Kinchana. It is saying there is no Multiplicity here. How it is
teaching Jagat Mithyaatva you may ask? We are seeing Multiple things in the
World. But Upanisad Vaakya is saying there is no Multiple things but Only
One Thing. Multiple things are False. Then the Multiple things we are
seeing must be Mithya. This is the simple logic.

>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:43 PM, RAMESH RAMANAN via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Pranams to Venkatesh Murthyji,
> > i agree with Sreenivasa Murthygaru when he says that the sign itself is
> > not the destination, but only a pointer to a destination. That is why,
> Sri
> > Ramana dissuaded his disciples from repeating or chanting soham,
> shivoham,
> > etc., as mantras, instead of pursuing self-enquiry as a discipline. He
> > advised many of his disciples to spare just enough time for self-enquiry,
> > as much as they devote to prayer and meditation and promised them that a
> > diligent and ceaseless practice of self-enquiry would definitely repay
> > one's time spend on it. But your view of considering 'i am' as a
> Mahavakya
> > is quite interesting. I enjoyed reading your post on the subject. Sri
> > Krishna says in Verse 22 of Chapter 10 of the Srimad Bhagavad Gita:"I am
> > the Consciousness or Intelligence Principle among human beings." Now,
> when
> > you analyze this carefully, we find that inside our human bodies, we are
> > the consciousness, as we are not the body, mind, intellect or senses.
> > Therefore, as Sri Krishna says that he is the consciousness in human
> beings
> > and as logically, there can not be two consciousnesses in a single human
> > body, we are absolutely identical with  Sri Krishna, according to this
> > verse. Therefore, though the topic of issue of self-enquiry or atma
> Vichara
> > is not a new one (many Upanishads do touch upon self-enquiry), we are
> > indebted to Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharishi for expounding it in such great
> > detail, as the same was hidden in aphorisms and in Sanskrit Literature,
> not
> > easily accessible to all of us.
> > Just some view of mine.
> >
> > Pranams,
> > Ramesh Ramanan.
> >
> >      On Monday, 16 March 2015, 12:18, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Namaste
> > On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:45 AM, sreenivasa murthy <
> > narayana145 at yahoo.co.in
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >    One can accept it as a mahavakya. But what is the use? It will add
> > > some more weight to the already carrying burden in the mind. That is
> > > all. Does mere acceptance of a mahavakya confer upon him Atmajnaa?
> Until
> > > and unless one becomes AvRuttacakShuH he cannot cognize the vastu
> > > viz.,one's true svarUpa and thereby he will never get Atmajnana. A
> > > mumukshu's sadhana should be directing his attention to that which
> exists
> > > prior to the appearance of the varna, word, phrase and sentences.
> > > Do you agree?
> > >
> >
> > I agree words and sentences will not themselves give Atma Jnana because
> > Upanisad also says 'Yato Vacho Nivartante Aprapya Manasa Saha' the Atmaa
> > cannot be described in words and understood by mind. But Mahaa Vaakyas
> can
> > point to Atmaa.
> >
> > Like you see a sign in the road. If you follow the sign it will take you
> > destination. But the sign is not the destination. By seeing that sign you
> > cannot say you have reached destination. Similarly the Mahaa Vaakyas
> should
> > be Heard, Reflected and Meditated. Then you will get Atma Jnana.
> Following
> > the Sravana, Manana and Nididhyasana of Mahaa Vaakyas will give Atma
> Jnana.
> >
> > I agree also simply listening to Mahaa Vaakyas and repeating like it
> Mantra
> > will not be useful. Reflection and Meditation are very necessary. Without
> > them there will not be Atma Jnana.
> >
> > In Advaita tradition the Mahaa Vaakyas are playing an important role. The
> > senior Swamiji will give Mahaa Vaakya Upadesha to junior Swamiji. The
> > Brahma Jnana will be from Sravana Manana Nididhyaasana of the Mahaa
> Vaakya
> > only. Because of this the Swamijis become Jeevan Muktas.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > With warm and respectful regards,
> > > Sreenivasa Murthy
> > >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >  ------------------------------
> > >  *From:* Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > > *To:* A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <
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> > > *Sent:* Monday, 16 March 2015 10:23 AM
> > > *Subject:* [Advaita-l] Shortest Sentence in English is a Mahaa Vaakya?
> > >
> > > Namaste
> > >
> > > I got a Whatsapp message from a friend. The shortest sentence in
> English
> > is
> > > 'I am'. Looking at it I feel it has a Advaita message in it. If you say
> > 'I
> > > am a man', 'I am the son of So and So', 'I am tall', 'I am short', 'I
> am
> > > fat', 'I am slim', 'I am intelligent', 'I am stupid', 'I am young', 'I
> am
> > > old', 'I am fair', 'I am dark', 'I am rich', 'I am poor' and so on it
> is
> > > all because of MAAYAA only. None of the sentences are TRUE.
> > >
> > > But the sentence 'I am' is TRUE. It is only saying I Exist. It is never
> > > False.
> > >
> > > What is a Mahaa Vaakya? It must be pointing to the Paaramaarthika Satya
> > but
> > > not Vyaavahaarika Satya. The Upanisad Mahaa Vaakyas are all meeting
> this
> > > requirement. That is Aham Brahmaasmi, Tat Tvam Asi, Ayam Atmaa Brahma
> and
> > > Prajnaanam Brahma are all meeting the requirement. They are all
> pointing
> > to
> > > Brahman the Advaita Reality. The shortest sentence 'I am' is also
> > pointing
> > > to Paaramaarthika Satya Sat. Sat is Pure Existence.
> > >
> > > Can we accept  'I am' is a Mahaa Vaakya in English?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > -Venkatesh
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-Venkatesh