[Advaita-l] Today Bhagavan Ramanuja Jayanti too

kuntimaddi sadananda kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com
Fri Apr 24 05:37:42 CDT 2015


Shree Venkatesh Murthyji - 

As I understand - The vivarana school itself differs from Bhamati in this regard. Within Advaita tradition there is difference of opinion in terms of Locus of Avidya.

Sureswara says in Naishkarmya siddhi that it is Brahman  is locus of avidya. 

Now about Shankara bhagavat paada's position. Please study his bhashyam on the 13th ch - kshetrajnam ca api maa viddhi .. sloka where he argues that it is not even jiiva that is locus of avidya - it is only anthaH karana that is locus. Few months back I wrote an series of articles on this and posted to the list, if one is interested.

It is not that Ramanuja did not study advaitic position, there are varying positions in the advaita itself. It does not mean Ramanuja's criticism of avidya of Advaita is correct. I have discussed this elaborately in my Advanced Vedanta talks series which can be accessed at say,  
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76XQXj_n-G8&index=147&list=PLWjpkY4mU2RAlFcTU_5G2a1trhbcZUedZ> 

Ramanuja has focused the issues for us to contemplate - that does not mean that one has to accept either Ramanuja's position or even Shankara's position, either vivarana's position or Bhamati's position, unless it is shruti, yukti and anubhava based.

Hope I am clear.

Hari Om!
Sadananda 


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On Fri, 4/24/15, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Today Bhagavan Ramanuja Jayanti too
 To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 Date: Friday, April 24, 2015, 12:53 AM
 
 Namaste
 
 In the Sri Bhashya Maha
 Siddhanta portion on Ashraya of Avidya  -
 
 सा हि
 किमाश्रित्य भ्रमं
 जनयति ? न तावत्
 जीवमाश्रित्य
 अविद्यापरिकल्पितत्वात्
 जीवभावस्य ।
 
 Here Ramanuja is saying Jeeva cannot be the
 Ashraya for Avidyaa
 because Jeeva is
 imagined by Avidyaa only. How can Avidyaa have a base
 in him?  Jeeva is imagined by Avidyaa and
 Jeeva has that Avidyaa.
 There is Anyonya
 Ashraya Dosha.
 
 Mandana
 Mishra in Brahma Sidhhi has cleared Ramanuja's doubt.
 यत्तु
 कस्याविद्येति ?
 जीवानामिति ब्रूमः । He has
 given good explanation why
 Jeeva is
 Avidya's Ashraya. There is no Anyonya Ashraya Dosha at
 all.
 Adi Sankara also cleared this same
 doubt in Prasthana Traya Bhashya.
 
 Mandana Mishra and Adi Sankara both were
 earlier than Ramanuja.
 
 Question is - Why Ramanuja was not familiar
 with Brahma Siddhi ? He
 should have checked
 all Purva Paksha Granthas before expressing
 doubts.
 
 
 On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:48 PM, kuntimaddi
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 > PraNAms to all
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 > Today is Bhagavan
 Ramanuja Jayanti too.
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 > His Shree Bhashya on Bri Sutra has been
 considered a brilliant analysis where he considers Advaita
 doctrine in terms laghu and mahaa purvapaksha before his
 siddhanta.
 >
 > The
 emphasis on the Sharanaagati as means of moksha forms the
 basis of the Vishishtadvaita darshana which was later
 expanded by Shree Vedanta Deshika.
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 > Hari Om!
 > Sadananda
 >
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