[Advaita-l] 'world' is not the mental creation of tiny soul !!
kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com
Fri Mar 28 10:32:19 CDT 2014
Shree Venkatesh Murthy - PraNAms - Sorry if my reply is confusion. My be this will help.
The waker's mind with its suppressions and oppressions become a platform for the projection of the whole dream world. Hence when you says YOU - if it refers to the waker's mind then the whole projection is within that mind. In analogy with the waking world, these impressions form maaya and waker's mind enlivened by the consciousness is the Iswara of the creation. Hence similar to the waking world Iswara with maaya Shakti is creating the dream world. The dream world consists of many beings and non beings. The beings have their own BMI. Anupravesha statement applies here also. Iswara as though after creating the world with BMIs enters into beings as jiiva. There is dreamer subject I who is a tiny soul in the dream, looking at the world not created by that tiny BMI. The dream world involves forest and tigers including the one that is chasing him for its meals. Now, when you shift your attention to the dream and say YOU are running from the tiger we are
now talking about the dream creation done by the gobal mind (waker's mind) while perception and cognition happening at the local mind and its sense level and running is done by the karmendriyas of that tiny jiiva - which are different from the waker senses and his mind which has become a platform for the whole dream creation. You are the waker and you are the dreamer - there is a shift in the reference you. The waker you is comfortably sleeping a dark AC room while the dream you is running away in the forest in a bright day light not aware that the other you that is sleeping with no problem. Mondukya kaarika in vaitatya prakaranam - shows that reality is not established by a. peceptability, utility, experiencability or unchangability or non-negatability. The wakers mind is gobal and dreamer mind is local. The creation is at global level and perception of the creation and the resulting transaction is at local BMI level. As long as the reference states
are clear, there should not be confusion. If one says there dreamer you created the tiger and make it to chase him is not right. Creation of the dream subject and the tiger and the forest where he is running is done by the global mind which is mind of the waker that is sleeping.
In essence waker - You is the global and dreamer you is tiny local. the BMI and the senses for each are different - hence Manduka provides a parallel statement defining the two -each with 19 gateways to perceive their respective external worlds.
Hope this helps.
On Fri, 3/28/14, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] 'world' is not the mental creation of tiny soul !!
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Friday, March 28, 2014, 8:04 AM
Namaste Sri Sadananda
I am confused by your reply. If you say dream world of tiny
Jeeva is that
tiny Jeeva's Srishti but waking world is Ishwara's Srishti
there is no
logic for supporting this. Many of our Acharyas like
Gaudapada have treated
dream and waking as name.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:25 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda <
kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
> Shree Venkatesh - the inside you vs outside depends on
who is that you
> that is being referred to. From the point of waker mind
which with respect
> to creation is the global mind - it is inside. But from
the point of a tiny
> subject inside the dream, the dream world from Iswara
srushti is outside -
> and if he has some wrong notions about it those notions
that belong to only
> the BMI of the tiny jiiva or in his tiny. There is
shift if reference when
> one is taking about the mind of the waker vs the mind
of the tny jiiva
> inside the dream. The waker's mind pervades all the
chara and achara of the
> dream world - it also pervades the other jiivas in the
dream including the
> mind of the tiger that is chasing the tiny jiiva.
Scripture uses the
> parallel statement - ekona vimshati mukhaH - there are
19 gateways - for
> both waker jiiva and dreamer jiiva. For dreamer subject
the dream world is
> outside his nineteen gates - for him it is
vyaavahaarika satyam when he is
> transacting with his world - hence the sloka -
sakaale satyavat bhaati
> prabhode satyasat bhavet.
> Hari Om!
> On Fri, 3/28/14, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
> This very important Sloka is appearing in
> विश्वं यथा
> पृथगवेक्षते ।
> विव्च्यताम् ॥
> It is saying like the dream objects in the dream
> appearing outside but
> there are all inside you but not outside.
> waking also the
> objects are appearing outside but actually they
> you only. There
> is no difference between dream and waking.
> If you read Maanasollaasa you will immediately
> the Jeeva is
> creating everything in both dream and waking.
> You believe you are creating dream objects and
> inside you but they
> appear outside. You have to believe you are
> waking objects also.
> The waking objects are also in you but you think
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