[Advaita-l] Advaita-l Digest, Vol 119, Issue 14

ramesh badisa via Advaita-l advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
Mon Jun 23 06:58:55 CDT 2014


“Your argument presupposes(a)that there are
really multiple beings, …”
Ø      Scriptures (Tai. Up., Br. Up., Ch. Up) declare
that the ‘One’, which is without a second, wants to become ‘Many’. Then, how do
you explain the ‘Many’ at vyavaharik plane?
Ø      In addition, can you please give your views whether creation is eternal or not?


On Saturday, June 21, 2014 12:59 PM, via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

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   1. Re: Creation & Creator (Vidyasankar Sundaresan via Advaita-l)
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 13:47:04 -0700
From: Vidyasankar Sundaresan via Advaita-l
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> Namaskaram.
> I would like to thank you all for your valuable contribution on this topic. My thoughts are as follows:
> There are two views. 
> One is vyavaharik point of view (vpv); other is paramatmik
> point of view (ppv). We all know this. 
> From ppv, there is only ‘One’ present– no two. This is Advaita. 
> It is true that all beings have to transcend from vyavaharik plane to paramatmik
> plane. We all know this. If this transcendence happens to all beings who are at
> vyavaharik plane (of course, at different times for different beings), then
> there is no more births and deaths – meaning there is no creation further. 
> Then, how the eternal continuity of creation is validated? 

Again, this is an inherent limitation due to thinking about liberation as a discrete event happening at different times to different beings. Your argument presupposes (a) that there are really multiple beings, (b) that there will be some time in the future when there will be exactly one last unliberated being left around, who will then attain liberation, and (c) that this last event of liberation will result in creation ceasing to exist.

Obviously, the liberation of this last being should be called a very special event within the vyAvahArika plane. What do you think would distinguish the liberation of this last being from the liberation of any other being at any other time before? And what is it about creation and vyavahAra that prevents all beings in it from attaining liberation at the same time?

Best regards,


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