[Advaita-l] Reference to Rudra and Aditya in BGB 6.47

Sujal Upadhyay via Advaita-l advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
Mon Jul 28 00:37:12 CDT 2014


Regarding the discussion, there is one more verse in BG 11.15 which
describes virATa svarUpa of bhagavAn. Here, Adi SankarAcArya in his bhASya
has not translated the word 'ISa' as Siva, while rAmAnujAcArya has. It
would be interesting to know the commentaries of other AcArya-s. mAdvAcArya
and Abhinavagupta has not commented on this verse. Other AcArya-s like
Valliabhacharya, Madhusudan Saraswati, Shreedhar Swami, Nilkantha, etc have
not written the word Siva. Still, we can have a look at it. Please also
check Anandgiri's bhashya. Since I am not conversant with sanskrit, I
request you to please have a look.

We can know the meaning of the word bhagavan w.r.t that bhagavAn is also
used ot refer to nirguNa brahman is given in bhAgvat purANa BP 3.32.31-3.

Please find below verses translated into English from Gujarati edition of
Gita Press, Gorakhpur.

BP 3.32.31: Revered Mother! I gave you the knowledge (GYAna), a tool, that
gives you the direct experience of Brahman (brahmasAxAtkara), and because
of which one can know (bodha) the true nature (yathArtha svarUpa) of
prakriti (mAyA) and puruSa (controller of mAyA, an omnipresent entity.

 BP 3.32.32: O Divine mother! The fruit of both of these paths - the
knowledge related to nirguNa Brahman and the knowledge of bhaktiyOga given
by me is one [and same] only; Fruit of both paths i.e. final destination
obtained by practicing both approaches (bhakti and GYAna) *are also
referred by the name of ‘bhagavAn’*

 BP 3.32.33: Just like the substratum of rUpa (form), rasa (taste), gandha
(smell, aroma, fragnance), et al, many guNa-s (qualities), is one and only
tatva which is experienced by different senses as different forms, in the
same way, by practicing different paths as said in SAstra-s, one
experiences the one and only same bhagavAn.

*BP 3.32.34-36 without english translation of core words.*

 BP 3.32.34-36: Different types of karma-s [as sanctioned by SAstra-s],
yaGYa, dAna, tapa, veda-adhyayan, veda-vicAra / veda-chintan [mimAmsA],
Atma-indriya-nigrah {Atma is taken as mind, sanyAsa, yoga consisting of
various limbs, bhaktiyoga, both types of dharmic actions like renunciation
and action done with sakAma or niSkAma, knowledge of atma-tatva (Self /
Brahman) and strong vairAGYa – by using all these sAdhana (tools), we can
know svayamprakASa (self-effulgent) [that which lights all and which is not
lighted by anyone i.e. consciousness is called as svayamprakA] bhagavAn who
is of the form saguNa and nirguNa.

*BP 3.32.34-36 with english translation of core words.*

BP 3.32.34-36: Different types of karma-s (actions) [as sanctioned by

yaGYa (vedic rites and rituals),

dAna (donation)

tapa (austerity)

veda-adhyayan (to study the veda-s),

veda-vicAra / veda-chintan (thinking / comtemplating on veda-s) [mimAmsA],

Atma-indriya-nigrah (control over mind and [five] senses) *- {Atma is taken
as mind}*

sanyAsa [karma-tyAga] (renunciation of actions),

yoga consisting of various limbs,


Both types of dharmic actions like renunciation and action done with sakAma
(action done with keeping fruits on mind) or niSkAma (action done without
any attachment of fruits or outcome),

knowledge of atma-tatva (Self / Brahman) and

strong vairAGYa (dispassion, absence of worldly desires in mind)

 – by using all these sAdhana (tools), we can know svayamprakASa
(self-effulgent) [that which lights all and which is not lighted by anyone
i.e. consciousness is called as svayamprakA] bhagavAn who is of the form
saguNa and nirguNa.

The whole chapter is interesting to read.


 In the incidence of samudra manthan, when deva-s approach Siva for the
help, all deva-s glorify Siva as Brahman. It also gives the meaning of the
word 'Siva'.

In Vishnu Purana, nAga-s drink poison and not Siva.

Hari OM


Sujal Upadhyay

"To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi

He who has faith has all
He who lacks faith, lacks all
It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste Jaldhar bhai,
> Thank you for the links.
> I remember that you had given reference to Verse 84 form Bhagavan
> Swaminarayan in his shikshapatri.
> Infact this sampradAya is the most liberal. They follow Visistadvaita, and
> revere Ramanuja's Sribhashya. Their sampradAya is called Swaminarayana
> sampradaya (earlier is was called as Uddhava Sampradaya)
> Here is a link to shikshapati in enlgish
> http://www.swaminarayan.nu/sampraday/shiksha.shtml
> Verses related to our context are
> 23. When (my followers) on their way, come across temples of Shiv, and
> other deities, they shall bow down to them and have their darshan
> respectfully.
> 46. Brahmin and other followers who are required on the account of their
> family tradition, to put on horizontal mark on their forehead and to wear
> on their neck a necklace prepared from Rudraksha beads shall not give up
> wearing them, even after becoming My followers.
> ​47. All shall realize that Narayan and the Mahesh are one, for as Brahman
> they have been described as one in the Vedas.
> OR
> *47. All shall know that Narayana and Mahesha are one, as they have been
> both described as brahman by the vedas.​*
> 59. Shastras proclaim these Bhaktas as Nirguna (i.e. completely free from
> mundane qualities like Satva, Rajas, and Tamas) since Lord Shri Krishna
> (Hari) is Nirguna. Because of their intimate relation with him, all their
> action also become Nirguna.
> *79. All shall observe devoutly and with proper festivities, the Vratas of
> all Ekadashi days of every month as well as the birth day of Shri Krishna
> and Shiv. *
> 81. Shri Vitthalnathji, son of Shri Vallabhacharya, a king among the
> Vaishanavas, has given decisions regarding all Vratas and festivals.
> (Shri Vitthalnath ji is said to be discple of MAdhusudan Saraswati)
> 82. All shall observe them accordingly. The mode of worship of Lord Shri
> Krishna as explained by him shall also be followed.
> *84. My followers shall regard the five deities named here with reverence
> - Vishnu, Shiva, Ganpati, Parvati and the Sun. *
> 106. Maya is one which constitutes the three qualities - Satva, Raja and
> Tama, is ignorance incarnate, is power of Lord Shri Krishna and is the
> cause prima for ego and personal attachment for body physic and everything
> else related to it, on the part of Jiva.
> *115. Lord Shri Krishna, His incarnations and His forms, only shall from
> the objects for meditation. One shall never meditate upon Jivas-men as well
> as deities, however great, as Bhaktas and knowers of Brahman they may be. *
> OM
> Sujal
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Jaldhar H. Vyas via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2014, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l wrote:
>>  Thank you Sri Sujal for the clue that I got from your reference to Swami
>>> Sivananda's commentary where the plural 'vināyakāḥ' is mentioned.  Upon a
>>> search I found that the Agnipurāṇam has this listed as some bhūta
>>> entities:
>>> ये कुष्णाण्डास्तथा यक्षा ये दैत्या ये निशाचराः ।
>>> प्रेता विनायकाः क्रूरा मनुष्या जम्भगाः खगाः ।। २७०.९ ।।
>>> The Srimadbhāgavatam too has a reference:
>> Interested readers should also see the extensive discussion we had on the
>> list concerning this subject a few years back starting at:
>> http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/2011-July/027863.html
>> and
>> http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/archives/advaita-l/2011-July/027937.html
>>> 10.6.27 where the baby Krishna is 'purified' by the Gopi-s after the
>>> killing of Pūtana:
>>> http://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/10/6/27-29
>> Ugh Prabhupada was an awful translator.  Still from the shloka mentioned
>> we can get an idea of the classes of devayonis which are called bhutas. In
>> the threads mentioned above.  In the thread mentioned above I have in one
>> post compared the tikas on Gita 9.25 by several Advaitins each of which
>> gives a slightly different list.
>> --
>> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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