[Advaita-l] 'Ishwaro'ham' and 'IshwarabhAvaH'

rajaramvenk at gmail.com rajaramvenk at gmail.com
Wed Sep 18 05:05:26 CDT 2013

This "fall down", "saviour" etc. are good initial sentiments. When we ask who fell down,  who saves, why did he allow me to fall etc. these sentiments will not persist.

You have not answered the key questions in yes or no format. Hence, I don't know your position clearly on Lord's form as much as I know Madhusudana's.
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-----Original Message-----
From: balagopal ramakrishnan <rbalpal at yahoo.co.in>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:40:29 
To: Rajaram Venkataramani<rajaramvenk at gmail.com>; V Subrahmanian<v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
Reply-To: balagopal ramakrishnan <rbalpal at yahoo.co.in>
Cc: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] 'Ishwaro'ham' and 'IshwarabhAvaH'

>>>RV: There are four questions that you
should ask yourself or your teacher. If the answer is yes to any one of them
you should answer no to the the last question. I may seem rudehere but am. Our
system is based on pramanas. Principles are more important than people.
1. Is the lord's
body made of five elements?  
2. Is the lord's body
made of subtle elements?
3. Is the Lord actually
embodied as we are?
4. Is there a real
relationship between the Lord and His body?
5. Am I an advaitin?
The understanding I
gathered is that the Lord 'descended' and I 'fell'. e.g I slipped and fell in
the well.Another got down to save me. 'His' cause is 'knowledge', mine is 'ignorance'. 'He' has a
purpose - to save/guide/mentor. Mine is for 'vasanakshayam'.Lord shortchanged
the subtle and gross unlike me to appear. I see him embodied  because of
my ignorance. When the body of the Lord is an appearance (due to my ignorance)
what relationship can one cast!

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