[Advaita-l] Samit Pani

Venkatesh Murthy vmurthy36 at gmail.com
Sun Oct 27 00:23:34 CDT 2013


There will be two more conditions also.

E Brahmachari disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Householder Guru.

F Brahmachari disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sanyasi Guru.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Namaste
> There will be four conditions .
> A Householder disciple with fuel sticks in hand is approaching householder
> Guru.
> B Sanyasi disciple with fuel sticks is approaching householder Guru.
> C Householder disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sannyasi Guru.
> D Sanyasi disciple with fuel sticks is approaching Sanyasi Guru.
> In these A and B conditions the Householder Guru can use the Samit fuel
> sticks for his Yajnas because he is maintaining a Agni for that purpose. In
> C and D the Sanyasi Guru cannot use the Samit sticks. He should not accept
> it because he cannot use it for anything. He cannot light Loukika fire and
> keep the body warm. He cannot do Yajnas.
> But Upanisads are saying disciples are always approaching Guru with fuel
> sticks in hand. Why? This is the puzzling question. Can we say in ancient
> days all Brahma Jnanis were householders only? Adi Sankara started the
> Sanyasi Brahma Jnani sampradaya? But why he started it? Why he was not
> happy with householder Jnanis? Why he thinks only Sanyasis can have Brahma
> Jnana?
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 4:04 AM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Venkata sriram P
>> <venkatasriramp at yahoo.in>wrote:
>> > Namaste,
>> >
>> > Our dharma says that one should never approach elders (guru & acharya)
>> > empty-handed.
>> >
>> Dear Sriram ji,
>> In the Anandagiri gloss for the bhashya on the said Mundaka mantra 1.2.12,
>> it is said: 'samitpANiH iti vinayopalakShaNam.'  [The expression
>> 'samitpANiH' is a representative indication for the humility of the
>> aspirant approaching the Guru].  The editor Sri Subrahmanya Sastri in the
>> foot note says:
>> // By the word 'brahmaniShTha' the BhashyakAra indicates that he is a
>> sannyAsin.  Then, what is the use of going to such a one with samit which
>> is of no use to him? In order to answer this Anandagiri says that it is an
>> upalakShaNa, representative indication, to the aspirant's vinaya,
>> humility.  SamitpANitvam on the part of the aspirant will be directly
>> appropriate in the case of those householder-brahmaniShTha-s such as
>> Janaka, yAjnavalkya and angiras. //
>> One another explanation I have heard is: the samit, dried sticks, are
>> indicative of the sishya's readiness to subject himself to the rigours of
>> brahmavidyA and receive it successfully just as dried sticks will
>> immediately burn when put in fire.
>> regards
>> subrahmanian.v
>> >
>> > Having submitted the appropriate sambhAvana to the Acharya either in the
>> > form of phala, dhana, vastu etc., one should seek their blessings which
>> is
>> > called "AsheevAdaM".  This is maNgaLa-sUchaka.
>> >
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> Regards
> -Venkatesh



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