[Advaita-l] Reply to Sri Vidyamanya Tirtha's observations
bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com
Wed Nov 27 23:15:40 CST 2013
Dear Sri Bhaskarji,
> praNAms Sri Chandramouli prabhuji
frstly a sadhka who has gone through the sadhana almost to completuion but
does not get jnana due to pratibandhakas he is not considered a patita. He
continues from this level in his future births and when the pratibandhaka
is overcome he automatically gets jnana. This is what is stated by Lord
Krishna in the Geetha as well as mentioned by Bhagavatpada in Sutra
> prabhuji Kindly noted I am not talking about the sAdhaka-s who could
not get jnAna due to pratibandhaka-s and those sAdhaka-s conducive
subsequent janma-s. I am talking about the sAdhaka-s who were in saNyAsa
Ashrama as saNyAsi-s in their previous janma and gruhastha-s in
gruhasthAshrama in current janma..For this type of descending order of
Ashrama there is no any prayaschitta !! shankara says in
apashUdrAdhikaraNa, vidurAdi-s have got the jnAna & become jnAni-s due to
their previous janma saMskAra, it does not mean that these noble souls
were invariably saNyAsi-s in their previous janma.
As for jnana being adheena to sanyasaashrama, i really feel you are not
serious in making such a statement.
> I think if any one persists that for jnAna to occur saNyAsa as an
ashrama is must, then it is as good as saying jnAna is sanyAsa Ashrama
adheena and there will be no chance of getting jnAna for the inhabitants
of other three Ashrama-s!! I dont think shankara insisted the Ashrama
saNyAsa in this way!!
By saying only good persons can attain jnana, are we making jnana adheena
> I am not saying jnAna is adheena to only goodness. If you see the
prathama sUtra of vedAnta sUtra, shankara discusses the qualification that
is required for doing brahma jignAsa. Here I dont think shankara says
only saNyAsi-s have the adhikAra to do brahma jignAsa and eligible to
attain svarUpa jnAna.
Eligibility of various ashramis is extensively discussed by Bhagavatpada
under Sutra Bhashyas 3-4-17 to 3-4-20.
> I remembered that we have discussed these sUtra bhAshya adhikaraNa
also in our previous discussion. Here shankara saying how sanyAsa as an
order enshrined in both smruti and shruti and ofcourse here he says
brahmanishTa pravrAjakatva can be possible to only parivrAjaka saNyAsi-s
and this would be difficult to achieve for the other three Ashramites
since they have their own respective karma-s to perform. But, the point
to be noted here, bhagavatpAda does not categorically deny the mOksha /
jnAna to other three ashramites. OTOH, just see what shankara says on
mOkshAdhikAra / jnAnAdhikAra. In the muNdaka shruti, he clearly says :
jnAnamAtre yadyapi sarvAshramiNAM adhikAraH, and in geeta bhAshya :
streeyO vyshyasthathA shUdrAstepi yAnti parAM gatiM and in sUtra bhAshya
shankara says through sAmAnya sAdhana-s ( applicable to all
ashrama-s/varNa-s) like japa, upavAsa, devatArAdhana etc. which is not
against shAstra one can get vidyA.
As also in Chandogya 2-23-1.
> And in this same chAndOgya shruti shankara explicitly says jnAna can
happen even in gruhasthAshrama also and for these gruhasthA-s pArivrAjyaM
is arthasiddhaM!! etena gruhasthasya ekatva vijnAne sati pArivrAjyaM
arthasiddhaM. and further, if you see elsewhere in geeta bhAshya shankara
says pravruttena chet lOkasaMgrahArthaM nivruttena chet jeevanamAtrArthaM
taM, jnAnAgnidagdha karmANaM. statement like this would definitely convey
the message that jnAna is not the sole property sanyAsa ashrama. It can
happen to anyone, anytime irrespective of his/her social status. And this
is what we have seen in the cases of ramaNa maharshi, rAmakrishna
paramahaMsa, yAgnAvalkya, janaka, nachiketa, dhruva, yamadharma, maitreyi,
gArgi, dharma vyAdha, vidhura, saMvarta, raikva etc. Kindly refer
bhagavatpAda bhAshya on geeta verses like yasya sarve samAraMbhAH, kAma
saMkalpavarjitAH jnAnAgni dagdhakarmANaM tamAhuH paNditaM budhAH and the
next verse tyaktvA karmaphalAsaMgaM, nitya truptO nirAshrayaH,
karmaNyabhipravruttOpi, naiva kiMchit karOti saH in fourth adhyAya...IMHO,
these verses meant to show us that there is jnAni in other Ashrama-s also
who seem to be doing karma.
I am not aware of earlier discussions in this forum dating several years
> Kindly search the archieves prabhuji with appropriate search terms you
would get the relevant thread. Anyway, I cannot give you the relevant
link as I dont have internet access.
It would be a pity if you were to come to conclusions without going
these extensive and engrossing bhashyas. I do urge you at least as a
of further interest to do so and then reply.
> thanks for your suggestion prabhuji.
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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