[Advaita-l] What exactly is karma saNyAsa??
swami.sarvabhutananda at gmail.com
Sun Nov 17 05:20:19 CST 2013
A JnAni BrahmajnAni understands the reality what is who is where is Bhagavan !
Brahma not cognisble as object and transcends space,time object.
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> On 16-Nov-2013, at 11:31 pm, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Srinath Vedagarbha
> <svedagarbha at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> Will a jnani not know that even bhagavan is unreal and his svarupa is
>>>> brahman? Why should he listen to someone who doesn't exist?
>>> The answer exists in the cited verse itself: it is for the benefit of the
>>> ajnani-s. He should not unsettle the belief of the samsarin-s who act
>>> based on their faith in the veda.
>> Again, same question can be asked -- wouldn't a jnAni know other ajnAni-s
>> are equally unreal just as bhagavAn (even though svarUpa of both bhagavAna
>> and ajnAni-s re brahman).
> Dear Srinath,
> We should remember that the jnani has a mind that has not been destroyed
> yet. So the he will remember with gratitude the Jnani who helped him get
> jnana and he will do that to another seeker. Apart from this, we can also
> look at it thus: If it is in the prArabdha of the seeker to get
> help/upadesha/guidance from Jnani X, that will happen despite X knowing
> well that the seeker-ajnani is mithyA. It is the same way X's Guru too
> knew ajnani X to be mithyA and since it was in the prArabdha of both ajnani
> X and the Guru that the former should benefit from the latter, it happened.
>> So, same question as Sri.Rajaram asked -- why should a jnAni should listen
>> unreal bhagavAn for the betterment of equally unreal ajnAni-s?
> Thus it is not 'listening' to a command; it naturally happens. If a
> Jnani's prArabdha is such that he is always in samAdhi, not much can come
> from him as benefit to all types of seekers. And the statement of Bhagavan
> 'let the jnani engage in action' will not be applicable to this Jnani.
> Just like the Bhagavatam verse: AtmArAmAshcha munayaH....itthambhUtaguNo
> hariH [ Those Jnanis who have attained the Supreme let themselves
> overwhelmed by the descriptions of divine sports of Bhagavan.] some Jnanis
> engage joyfully in saguNa brahman devotional practices like pUja, bhajan,
> beholding the Lord in various teertha kshetra-s, etc. Some engage in
> teaching Vedanta, yoga etc. Some like to remain secluded, away from all
> public glare. Bhagavan's statement becomes validated in those particular
> type of Jnanis who are made for that purpose. It is all, again, in the
> prArabdha: of the Jnani and the seeker.
> In the Mundakopanishat mantra (1.ii.13) it is said:
> तस्मै स विद्वान् उपसन्नाय सम्यक् प्रशान्तचित्ताय शमान्विताय ।
> येनाक्षरं पुरुषं वेद सत्यं प्रोवाच तां तत्त्वतो ब्रह्मविद्याम् ॥
> [To him who has approached duly, whose heart is calm and whose outer organs
> are under control, that man of enlightenment should adequately impart that
> knowledge of Brahman by which one realizes the true and imperishable
> Shankara says: It is a 'rule' niyamaH, even for the Acharya that he imparts
> the Knowledge to the aspirant who has approached him in the proper manner
> (with the right preparation/equipment). Shankara uses the word 'niyamaH'
> in respect of a Jnani Acharya.
> Finally, it should be remembered that realizing the mithyAtva of the
> jagat/jiva/Ishwara triad does not and need not make one an atheist or a
> wayward. His positive normal human emotions can and do find expressions.
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