[Advaita-l] Ramana's method
bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com
Tue Oct 9 22:53:20 CDT 2012
praNAms Sri praveen prabhuji
If may add something :
Factually, Maharshi's method is just one part of the tradition, albeit the
part that's reserved for
> Even for the uttama adhikAri-s, advaita vedAnta's tradition recommends
shAstra vAkya shravaNa. It claims that for an uttama adhikAri, shravaNa
is enough to get brahma jnAna. So, for the uttama adhikAri-s also
'shAstra' is the antra pramANa for the brahma jignAsa.
To an uttama adhikAri, if Maharshi's method suggests self-inquiry, one
tries to look at the source of ahaM vritti and he realizes the sphuraNa;
similarly, the traditional guru says "Tat tvaM asi and he realizes ahaM
brahmAsmi. There isn't any difference.
> I think there is a difference, one is depends on shAstra vAkya shravaNa
(which is traditional method) another one is independent method which
necessarily not calls for shAstrAdhyayana or shAstra vAkya shravaNa. If we
say the end result is same for both the methods, then we have to accept
that there is an alternative method to get brahma jnAna. And if it is
true, then shAstra is the ONLY pramANa, i.e. traditional stand suffers.
Of course, one may argue that the tradition considers only Vedanta shAstra
for shravaNa, but that wouldn't be proper, since the subject matter is
Atma-anAtma viveka, which is necessarily a part of self-inquiry of
Bhagavan Ramana too.
> Yes, according to tradition shravaNAdi direct (sAkshAt) sAdhana-s
recommended keeping ONLY shAstra in mind. Though ramaNa-s method is
aiming towards the goal of self realization, we cannot say it is strictly
in line with traditional method because ramaNa's method does not strictly
insist for the shAstra prAmANya for the sAdhana.
To sum up, the method of traditional Vedanta is as direct as Ramana
Maharshi's self-inquiry for uttama & maybe some madhyama adhikAris. But
most madhyama & manda adhikAris cannot truly benefit from self-inquiry
alone and will necessarily have to follow the traditional process.
> IMHO, according to tradition, irrespective of 'adhikAratva' of the
aspirant, shAstra is the ONLY means to realize sva-svarUpa. Even for the
uttama adhikAri-s shAstra vAkya shravaNa rUpa sAdhana is must and for the
madhyama & manda adhikAri-s tradition prescribes upAsana, dhyAna, karma
yOga etc. again strictly in line with shAstra-s. So, in short, if
ramaNa's method of self inquiry is devoid of shAstra vihita shravaNAdi
sAdhana, we have to say it is an independent method and as a result,
though it might be as efficacious as traditional method we cannot say this
type of sAdhana is strictly in line with traditional shravaNAdi sAdhana as
recommended by sampradAya vida-s.
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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