[Advaita-l] Ramana's method
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Mon Oct 8 06:40:32 CDT 2012
In what way he was unique and why it cannot be compared.
From: Swami Sarvabhutananda <swami.sarvabhutananda at gmail.com>
To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Ramana's method
One has to understand that BHgavAn RamanA can in noway comparable to any
human being and he was a unique personality!!
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Sanjay Srivastava
<sksrivastava68 at gmail.com>wrote:
> Dear Sri Suresh:
> With due regards to opinion of Sri Sadnanda and others, let me point
> out that Bhagwan Ramana's method as understood by his close disciples
> including Sri Sadhu Om, Sri Murugannar, Sri Laxman Sharma etc. is
> quite different from shAstra vichAra as advocated by traditional
> vedanta. By close disciples I do not mean just having physical
> proximity with Sri Bhagwan. They actually imbibed Sri Bhagwan's method
> and occasionally got confirmation by Sri Bhagwan himself. There is no
> reason to believe that somehow Sri Bhagwan's close disciples missed
> his message, which others who did not have any contact with him, are
> privy. Moreover I do not think that people like Sri Sadhu Om, Sri
> Murugannar, Sri Laxman Sharma can be placed in what is pejoratively
> called "neo advaitin" group.
> Sri Laxman Sharma was actually a vedic scholar and well versed in the
> method of traditional vedanta, which he considered ineffective. He has
> mentioned that for him Upanishads are useful only to the extent they
> confirm Sri Bhagwan's words, which are the primary authority for him.
> Clearly this stand will be considered a blasphemy in traditional
> vedanta circles.
> Bhagwan Ramana's method is based on self attentiveness. shAstra
> vichAra is purely incidental in this method and is dispensable after
> hearing it once from a sage. After hearing it once efforts are
> required only to maintain self attentiveness 24 X 7. Asking "Who am I"
> is not a verbal enquiry but a tool to maintain 24 X 7 self abidance,
> which is the primary method of self realization. You can get the
> clearest expression of Sri Bhagwan's method in Sri Sadhu Om's "Path of
> Sri Ramana - Part 1" and in Sri Michael James' "Happiness and the Art
> of Being".
> It is true that Sri Bhagwan often used traditional advaitic concepts
> to illustrate his points. However, when quotes from scriptures of
> other traditions were put to him, he was able to give advaitic
> interpretation to them with equal effortlessness. If you visit various
> discussions on arunachala-ramana forum you will find that there is lot
> of resentment among Sri Bhagwan's disciples against traditional
> advaita vedanta school that this school is actually twisting Sri
> Bhagwan's message to establish shAstra vichAra as the true self
> enquiry, while Sri Bhagwan never intended this. There is another
> charge against this school that even though it calls itself
> "traditional vedanta", it is not traditional at all. In view of Sri
> Bhagwan's devotees, the lineage of so called "traditional vedanta" is
> actually quite modern and starts from Sri Chinmayananda Swami - not
> before. If you explore the lineage of traditional vedanta teachers
> today, it seems to merge at Sri Chinmayananda Swami. There does not
> seem to be any visible effort to trace this lineage to Bhagwan
> Shankara. Hence Bhagwan Ramana's devotees question "traditional
> vedanta" school's claim to "traditional" label.
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:07 AM, kuntimaddi sadananda
> <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Shree Suresh - who am I, enquiry will only give the answer to who am I,
> if it is done properly by anvaya vyatiraka logic or avasthaatraya or
> pancakosha viveka, by negating whom I am not as I am. That is only tvam
> padartha vichaara or inquiry of one aspect of tat tvam asi - you are tha.
> > To undestand what I have rejected that which I am not, is also I am - as
> stated in the tat tvam asi -I am that - mahavaakya vichaara, one needs
> shaastra pramaaNa and therfore requires a teacher who can teach the
> saastras. Many Ramana followers and many neo advaitins do not understand
> this problem and think we do not need to study shaastras and all we need to
> do sit down and findout who am I - without realizing Bhagavan Ramana has
> himself selected many slokas from Geeta and Vivekachudaamani for study and
> help in this enquiry.
> > Hari Om!
> > Sadananda
> >> From: Suresh <mayavaadi at yahoo.com>
> >>To: Advaita <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> >>Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 1:15 PM
> >>Subject: [Advaita-l] Ramana's method
> >>Many people are of the view that Ramana's method of self-inquiry is
> effective to realize nondual awareness. But I am confused. By asking who am
> I, are we supposed to find an answer? What exactly is the point of the
> >>Looking for some insights.
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