[Advaita-l] ’upAsana' and 'bhakti'
srirudra at vsnl.com
Wed Feb 29 10:27:29 CST 2012
Dear Sri Ravishankar
My view is Upasana seeks worldly objectives -and mainly by
artharthies.Upasana slowly will elevate the upasaka to be a Bhakthiman in
which stage he will come to realise that these worldly pleasures and assets
are meaningless .Taking refuge in the deity/self only will lead to
liberation meaning no more births/samsara.So upasana is also a step in the
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From: "Ravisankar Mayavaram" <abhayambika at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] ’upAsana' and 'bhakti'
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Anand Hudli <anandhudli at hotmail.com>
>> This is exactly my thought too. Let us start with Shankara's definition
>> "upAsanaM nAma samAnapratyayapravAhakaraNam" (sUtra bhAShya 4.1.7)
>> Making similar ideas flow continuously is called upAsana.
>> Bhakti also involves this "making similar ideas flow continuously",
> This definition of bhakti as flow of similar ideas, allows bhakti to
> be even "parama dveSha ruupaa". Can any flow of similar ideas be
> called bhakti? Or it has to be something like "sva svaruupa
> anusandhana" or something that has the form of prema?
>> personal God may not involve these. For example, there is the shrI
>> Yantra, there is a
>> particular procedure of worshipping it, and there is a specific
>> mantra, the ShoDashAkSharI or the PanchadashAkSharI. But Bhakti to a
>> personal God is just emotional outbursts and lot of singing and
>> However, I would ask: what is purpose of these Yantras, tantras, and
>> mantras? They serve the purpose of, again, making similar ideas flow
> Not necessarily. They can be done with the desire for a specific phala
> as a goal. In that sense, a mantra, tantra, yantra prayoga can be
> done accurately but without "prema" as (bhakti as parama prema
> ruupaa). They need not accompany or have the purpose of having flow
> of similar ideas as it goal or even a by product. Depending on the
> prayoga, performer may not even desire for mental or physical
> proximity with the devata. I think such prayogas are karma and not
> upAsana. Both upAsana and bhakti do not come under the category of
> My 2c.
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