[Advaita-l] loss of right to perform vaidhika karma

Venkatesh Murthy vmurthy36 at gmail.com
Tue Feb 14 21:22:52 CST 2012


They also say if someone does some Pataka thinking I will do it
because I can get the Prayascitta done the Prayascitta will not have

Question- They also say there is a Prayascitta for everything in
Sastras but there is no Prayascitta for INGRATITUDE Krutaghnata.

Bhishma Drona and others in Kaurava camp did not leave them because
they did not have any Prayascitta for INGRATITUDE. Is this correct?

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:00 PM, V Subrahmanian
<v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:
> All the 'wrong-doings' coming under the pervasive umbrella called
> 'pAthaka-s' are covered in the MahAsankalpa recited during the 'AvaNi
> aviTTam' every year.  There we do not see any permanent ban or loss of
> right (adhikAra) to perform vaidika karma-s.
> One can indulge in a lot of hair-splitting with regard to what constitutes
> a lapse and what does not.  For example a view is: if a person does not
> perform sandhyavandanam for three days in line, he loses dwijatva itself
> and has to be 're-investitured.'  So with acts like leaving the Bharata
> bhUmi.  But such 'lapses' and the 'praayashchitta' are not practiced these
> days.  It is best to leave the subject without letting it take a raging
> debate form.
> There is a fine verse:
> प्रायश्चित्तान्यशेषाणि तपःकर्मात्मकानि वै ।
> यानि तेषामशेषाणां श्रीकृष्णानुस्मरणं परम् ॥
> which translates roughly to:  Compared to the endless praayashchitta karmas
> involving tough tapas observations and other acts the sincere contemplation
> on the Lord is unbeatable.
> In fact our sandhyavandanam itself consists of such expiations for
> 'papam-s' committed during the day and night through word, body and sense
> organs.  Sri Chandrashekhara Bharati SwaminaH has said: पश्चात्तापेन
> शुद्ध्यति which means 'by sincerely repenting for one's sins one becomes
> purified'.  What is important is that one should not repeat those acts
> after such repentence.
> And I would like to add that someone (an Indian, dwija) who lives abroad or
> even has to travel rarely or often outside India should not carry the
> feeling of having sinned by so having gone out of the Indian subcontinent.
> Ultimately the Lord, the antaryAmin, is pleased only by one's sincerity in
> performing his nitya karma and his commitment to a high moral disposition
> even while living in such other lands.  Someone said:
> तदाभ्यन्तरवृत्तिमात्ररसिकः about the Lord.  He is concerned with the
> 'inner' quality of the person and not  just the exterior.
> Let us not rake up an endless debate on this topic.  We have discussed
> these things in this forum in different forms under different heads.
> Regards,
> subrahmanian.v
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Rajaram Venkataramani <
> rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I asked this question in another thread but went unheard - resending with
>> more clarity. Do the following categories of people forever lose their
>> right to perform vaidhika karma or they can return to the vedic fold
>> through prayaschitta karma?
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