[Advaita-l] Vegetarianism

rajaramvenk at gmail.com rajaramvenk at gmail.com
Tue Apr 17 02:53:36 CDT 2012

In pranAgnihotram, we purify rice with ghee and offer it to prana devatas. This is done with suddhAnnam before even adding vegetable (sic I have to specify this) sambar etc. We cannot separate the mantra from the ritual and cannot change the ritual to suit our whims. 

We have to understand the basics first that every act in vaidhika dharma is a ritual from waking up to taking bath to cooking with associated mantra and procedures. Out of the extant yajnas, please tell me which yajna talks about cooking fish and mantras to chant while killing the fish and offering it in fire. If you don't have any reference, then please don't spread incorrect knowledge totally unmindful of the suffering it causes other defense-less living beings such as fishes. Have a heart!

With regard to Sri Ramakrishna, did mahaperiyava say atma jnani in the sense of one knows brahman or deha or manas? Anyway, it does not matter if he is a brahma jnani.  Now, anyone can become a brahma jnani including shudras such as Vidura. But no one can change karma khanda principles even then. Also, a practice in a temple does not make it sastra. It is just a custom. 

I seriously think you must get your basics right before representing Sringeri mutt as a sampradaya vid. It portrays the mutt as supportive of himsa practices at other institutions. Does maha-periyava support indiscriminate killing of other lives as it happens in slaughter houses today and say it has vedic sanction? 
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On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Rajaram Venkataramani <
rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Even if Ramakrishna Paramahamsa were a jivan mukta, we cannot eat fish if
> it is not a remnant of a yajna. In which yajna, do you offer fish? If
> Ramakrishna was not a paramahamsa, it is just a fishy behaviour :)

We perform daily once or twice a yajna called 'prANAgnihotram' just before
having our meals.  First the food, in particles, are ceremonially offered,
with mantras, to the prANa-devatA-s.  When it is offered one has no
ownership of the offered food.  'na mama' is the attitude.  And only after
this offering is done do we consume the food.  This is the remnant of what
has been offered to the devatA-s, now received as prasada from the
devatA-s.  A brahmin family that has fish in its menu/diet can very well
offer the food to the Lord and eat the food as the prasadam/remnant of this
offering.  Every offering is a yajna.  'yaj' dhAtu has a meaning of 'pUja'.
The BG 4th chapter lists several types of yajna-s and concludes: Thus the
karma kANDa of the Veda has in it several - bahuvidhAH - yajnas mentioned.
Those who do not follow even one of these is doing harm to his own
spiritual upliftment.

At the Dakshineshwar Temple, the bell for bhog rings exactly at noon but
the Rs 10 bhog ticket has to be taken at 9 am from the office behind the
main temple. Bhog is vegetarian fare consisting of rice, dal and
vegetables; it’s served in the verandah adjoining the natmandir. Though the
goddess is offered fresh pona fish from the river, this prasad is only for
the priests.

This moment indicated the commencement of Sandhi Puja. Sabarno Raychoudhury
of Barisha worshipped the Chamunda Devi by burning 'Layta' and 'Pholui'
(types of fishes) fishes.

I am not very sure if fish-preparations are offered as neivedyam at the
Belur Math, Kolkata.

It is not enough to say that some elder said so because some other elders
> (e.g. Kanchi Mahaperiyava) dont say so.

This is deshAchAra.The Sringeri earlier Acharya has said 'Sri Ramakrishna
is a Jnani.' The AchAra of that place permitted the use of fish in the
daily menu.  There are differences between/among smRtis authored by Rshis.

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