[Advaita-l] Iswara swaruupam - 3

Rajaram Venkataramani rajaramvenk at gmail.com
Wed Apr 4 02:40:53 CDT 2012

I did not respond to your post because Shri Vidyasankar asked me to read
Gaudapada Karika in original instead of translation, which I thought is
valid though I need help for Sanskrit. I discussed with Shri Sadananda in
private only because that. But I responded on the list on seeing that
Ishwara is officially reduced to a mere combination of Brahman + Evil. Even
if I read a countless times the bhashyam on 7.4 - 7.7, I can only see that
Ishwara is transcendent and real. Paramaya is essentially Ishwara. This
world is unreal but with real as basis.

I think you are not differentiating between Ishwara or Brahman, Avyakta,
Hiranyagarbha and Virata. And hence reducing Ishwara to the level of being
a mee illusion.

On Wednesday, April 4, 2012, Bhaskar YR wrote:

> If you say Ishwara is unreal, why don't you
> concede  that you are Nirishwara Vedantin?
> praNAms Sri rAjAram prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
> I am sorry to say this, I think you are really fortunate that you are
> getting continuous attention of scholars in this list (especially Sri
> Vidya prabhuji, he seldom indulges himself in undeserving talks but here
> in this thread he is surprisingly showing childlike enthusiasm:-) despite
> your own (mis)understanding of advaita on Ishwara's position.
> If I remember right, sometime back we had quoted shankara bhAshya on
> ArambhaNAdhikaraNa in vedAnta sUtra wherein shankara without any ambiguity
> clarifies that Iswara's existence & his omnipotence, omniscience etc.
> holds good only in vyavahAra which is avidyAtmaka.  He also further
> clarifies that the brahman conditioned by name and form set up by avidyA
> becomes Ishwara ( there is room here to think it is only hiraNyagarbha not
> saguNa brahman/Ishwara).  Do you think by saying this shankara has become
> nirirshwara vAdi??  Kindly note that there is a vital role for Ishwara /
> saguNa brahman to play in advaita vedAnta  and sAdhana.  Hence, even today
> you can see temple & deities in advaita mutts.  One of the birudAvaLi-s of
> shrungeri jagadguru is 'srimadvidyAshankara pAdapadmArAdhaka' though the
> core teaching of advaita is ahaM brahmAsmi.
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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