[Advaita-l] Alaukika and laukika Jnana.

Srikanta Narayanaswami srikanta.narayanaswami at yahoo.com
Mon Sep 5 02:49:54 CDT 2011

I agree with you that apaureshyatvam can ultimately be established on
based on vedas only. But this will be dismissed as self-referential by
those who don't accept vaidhika dharma.  Hence we need to establish
through only data and logic.  This is not required for one who accepts
vedas as true.

On 04/09/2011, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Shree Rajaram - PraNams
> Just as a note - I must submit that your last assertion is not logical.
> Logic as a means of knowledge applies to loukikam only. apourusheyam aspect
> of the Vedas is aloukikam. Vedanta is not illogical but logic takes a
> secondary role and also follows only shaastriiya anumaana not loukika
> anumaana. You are using loukika dRiShTanta to establish aloukika saadhyam.
> Anumaana pramANa is only valid within its limits of applicability. Anyway if
> you are happy about it, so be it, since you believe in it. I rest my case.
> Hari Om!
> Sadananda
> --- On Sun, 9/4/11, Rajaram Venkataramani <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Unless one can point out the flaws in my logic, one has to accept my
> conclusion that Vedas are apaureshya as true as long as one accepts logic as
> a means of knowledge.
> Best Regards
> Rajaram Venkataraman
With reference to the above,the Vedas are "apaurusheya"as they are not created by any mortal.They are the visions of the Rishis.Adi shankara Bhagawathpada in his "Brahmasutrabhashya"has raised this question with reference to the discussion on whether the statements and teachings of other "darshanikas' like Buddhists,etc.are 
truth or realisation?he has answered that the "statements of a Sarvajna can be established on the basis of his statements,but for his statement to be true he has to be established that he is a "sarvajna".In the above,the Vedas have no such requirement.The 'Vedas'are "Svatahpramanam",they are "Self-established".The "Paratahpramanam"statements have to be established from some other source.All the "laukika jnanam"have to be established on the basis of "Paratahpramanam"
The "Vedas"are "Abadhita"statements.The statements like "Tatvamasi","AhamBrahmasmi"require "Svatahpramana"statement from the Vedas.These statements remove the "ajnana"and reveal the Truth.Since the locus of "Ajnana"or "Nescience"covers the knowledge of the 'Brahman",it only requires to remove this "ajnana".

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