[Advaita-l] FW: Avidya, Jnanis and SSS' views
bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com
Tue May 18 02:27:36 CDT 2010
sAshtAnga praNAms Sri Vidya prabhuji
After that, all unnecessary interpretations of the muNDaka reference
to brahmavid-varishTha will also vanish of their own accord.
> I am still unable to understand why we should not interpret that
varishTha is the one who has the ultimate absolute brahma jnAna and he is
the 'best' among other brahma vida-s...My reasoning is very simple that
shankara does not talk about jnAna tAratamya (that you also agreed)in
mundaka shruti and there is no mention of gradations in absolute brahma
jnAni-s to infer that brahmavit & vidvara are also same type of brahma
jnAni-s but inferior to varishTa. IMO, shankara talks about 'bedha' in
parOksha & aparOkha jnAna & that one who has aprOksha jnAna is the best /
varishTa when compared to parOksha jnAna nishTa-s.
I am afraid you have not understood what I am saying about brahmavid-
varishTha at all. I am not doing any major interpretation of my own, but
merely quoting the interpretation that Sankara bhagavatpAda has already
> yes prabhuji you have given the interpretation of shankara bhagavadpAda
with regard to varishTa...for which I donot have any issues..But problem
comes when you asked me to infer about the vara, vareeya also absolute
brahma jnAni-s but inferior to varishTa...But I am not denying the
gradations in jnAnOtpatti, jnAna paripAka & jnAna nishta etc. but these
things cannot be linked to absolute aparOksha brahma jnAna & the jnAni who
has established himself in that completely. These gradations can be
possible & reasonable only in parOksha jnAna which is dependent on
varNAshrama dharma/karma, upAsane, saNyAsa, practice of shama damAdi,
In any case, what makes you think that long abidance in nirvikalpa
samAdhi is the same as physical death?
> it is because, he does not comeout from this state whereas vara &
vareeya-s would come out from this state with the aid of different
means...vara would come out with the help of others, vareeya would come
out from it on its own but varishTa will not come out at all and his body
perishes ( I call this as physical death )in that state. Here is the
exact explanation of these categories that can be found in the popular
// quote //
A jñànin involved in worldly activities is referred to as a brahmavid. If
a jñànin has the practice of going into
nirvikalpa-samàdhi and coming out of it on his own, he is a brahmavidvara.
If he can be awakened from nirvikalpasamàdhi only by the efforts of
others, he is a brahmavidvaräyàn. A brahmavidvariShTha is one who never
emerges from nirvikalpa-samàdhi. His body perishes while he is in samàdhi.
As a brahmavidvariShTha has the best
pràrabdha, he is deemed the greatest jñànin.
// unquote //
>From the above statements only I said it is not possible to have an active
& living brahmavidvarishTa on this earth...Because above it is clearly
said that a brahmavidvarishTa can never ever come back from the nirvikalpa
samAdhi (if he comes back then he is not varishTa either he is vara or
vareeyAn) & due to his best prArabdha his body perishes in that state
itself. If you dont interpret body freezing as physical death of
brahmavidvarishTa then what else that would mean prabhuji?? If you have
any reservations on the above definitions of different kinds of jnAni-s
and linking of their samAdhi experiences please let me know
prabhuji..Otherwise, I dont think why I should not say varishTa & his
upadesha is a practical impossibility in this living world.
Sri vidya prabhuji :
There is no difference between what some texts describe as never arising
from samAdhi and the link that
I have drawn between muNDaka and bRhadAraNyaka bhAshya-s in this regard.
I am afraid, neither muNdaka nor bruhad shruti bhAshya-s anywhere even
remotely talk about samAdhi experiences and means to coming out from that
peculiar state to draw the lines among vara, vareeyaan & varishTa...From
the above quoted reference it is quite conspicuous that varishTa is
non-available entity on this world...
I think we have discussed the 2-3-39 (kartruadhikAraNa) in detail while
discussing the contents of vivekachudAmaNi & its extraordinary preference
to nirvikalpa samAdhi experience prabhuji. I hope you know my stand on
Your humble servant
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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