[Advaita-l] Two types of Atma jnAni-s &their approachtoreallifesituation

Shyam shyam_md at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 26 08:58:56 CDT 2010

Pranams Dear Shri Chaitanya-prabhu,
I agree with you - what is action and what's inaction - even the wise are deluded in attempting to fathom says Krishna. 
kim karma kim akarmeti kavayo 'py atra mohitah.
What is perhaps even more difficult to fathom is the "actions" of an actionless jnani. 

The context of the current discussion, is with regards to observations (by ajnanis of course) of episodes of emotion - anger, desire, - in a mahapurusha or avatara, and how does one reconcile that with the Vedantic definition of a purusha who has attained the Supreme (prashantatma krtakrtyo bhavati).

The context with regards to a seeker, and the necessity for him or her to eschew in toto asuri sampat and embrace and be established in daivi sampat, and amanitvam etc., and how to, with effort and great zeal, graduate from tamas to rajas to sattva in action, word, and thought is a different one altogether.

Hope the difference is clear.
Humble pranams,
Hari OM

On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:51 PM, "Br. Pranipata" <pranipata at hotmail.com> wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shyam" <shyam_md at yahoo.com>
>> Pranams.
>> In Ishwara srshti from the Cosmic standpoint, from the standpoint of the Order, there is nothing positive or negative. Anger is very much part of the Order. There is no separate entity that is parallel to, or opposed to, the Order.
>> Consider anger now. Someone violates dharma - and if the jnani is witness to this - say an innocent calf getting killed. There is anger. It is non-volitional, it is not reasoned nor calculated. It just is. Ishwara srshti. It is no one's power to alter what is an integral component of the Order.
> Hari OM
>> Shri Gurubhyoh namah
>> Shyam
> -----------------------------------
> Msg no: 35233 in Advaitin List.
> Most of the time we are unable to be forgive because we feel our hurt,
> our resentment, our anger, our hatred is justified. Justified by what?
> by the other person's actions.
> The trouble is this - the action "was" the "other's" and the negative
> feelings "is" "mine" - its my mind which is tied up in the threads of
> hurt, my heart which still smolder with the embers of a fire that
> should have been put out a long time ago.
> ......
> Forgiveness is about understanding. Whatever any one does is because
> that particular individual at that point in time in those peculiar set
> of circumstances could have done that and that only. This is because
> whether we like it or not, there is a perfect Order that is set in
> place here, and everything that happens is ever in accordance with
> that Order alone. The other person's actions are no doubt heinous. But
> perhaps if i had the upbringing that he or she did, the temperament,
> the value structure, the social environment etc etc then my own
> actions may have been exactly the same.
> ----------------------------------------
> Hari Om Shri Shyamji, Pranaams!
> gahanA karmaNo gatiH. (The essential nature of action, prohibited action and inaction is hard to understand).
> In Shri Guru Smriti,
> Br. Pranipata Chaitanya 
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