[Advaita-l] APerspective 17-2

[Anbu sivam2]

Bhaskarji,

Not only the identification is lost in sushupthi but also the identifier!
The identifier could neither identify himself nor the aathman that keeps him
support and company in sushupthi.    This is because of avidya the root
cause of all causes.  So being in sushupthi is of no use.

True the jaagrath state is needed and truly in should never end too!  So
what would serve that purpose?  The total abandonment of susupthi, its
complete breakup and destruction.  That can happen only by the Guru vaakya.
I wouldn't even give credit for that (the destruction) to the intellect.

True the Guru says: "THATH THVAM ASI".  That induces one to realize that he
is *NOT* what he was (that he was all along assuming).  *That breaks the
mutual superimposition.*

*Both abandonment and the 'recognition' if any is the role of the jeeva in
vaachyaartham.  Aathman has no such role.  Nothing positive can be said
about it. Any role assigned, anything positive said of the Aathma will only
objectify it.  That would defeat the purpose.*

A clear understanding of mutual superimposition between the body and the
aathma is all that is needed.

Regards,
Anbu

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:

> Could we say that the Self-Realization is the abandonment of the false
> identification rather than a recognition?
>
> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>
> Abandonment of the false identification with BMI happens naturally every
> day without our knowledge in sushupti...So, the recongnition that we are
> THAT has to happen in a state where our buddhi is wide awake (jAgruta
> buddhi) :-))  Hence there is shruti vAkya :  manasaivedamAptavyaM neha
> nAnAsti kiMchana...and shankara's words : manaH Atmadarshane karaNaM.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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