[Advaita-l] How to become a Hindu?
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Thu Aug 26 04:52:41 CDT 2010
Can you perform the Vratyastoma for the people who want to convert back to
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Satish Arigela <satisharigela at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >The vrAtyastoma and/or hiraNyagarbha vidhi was used to convert non Vedic
> >even foreign invaders to the varNa system.
> >Some inscriptions also indicate that foreigners embraced the sanAtana
> >dharma, for example, the one mentioning that Heliodorus was a bhAgavata.
> >Also, there are examples where Indian Kings married hUNa princesses who,
> >along with the children, were absorbed into Hinduism.
> I page 150 is not in the preview part so I could not read it.
> From what I have read and heard such absorptions were limited only to the
> Royalty i.e. Kings, Queens, Princes/Princesses and not to the general
> Even then they were looked upon as "dubious kShatriya-s" for obvious
> Power & Money indeed can change many things and even buy a varNa status
> ancient times!
> When Hinduism traveled to Cambodia, Indonesia, & Bali some lay population
> converted to shaiva mata. We still have Hindu-s there who practice ancient
> shaiva and other rites.
> The following is my imagination based on various readings and could be
> --It looks like the rites were performed for them only because they were
> and are in power
> and not acceding to their request can bring harm.--
> But coming back to the main topic of discussion:
> let us go into some detail here-- What does the tANDya brAhmaNa or the
> texts quoted say about the varNa of the one who is absorbed into the Hindu
> How is varNa decided in this case?
> If the rite was indeed performed to absorb foreigners who do not belong to
> Royalty(they of-course will be called kShatriya-s - dubious or otherwise)
> surely must have been some guidelines about the assigning a varNa to those
> people. Do the texts say anything in this regard?
> More questions: Now if we accept that indeed a vrAtyastoma can be performed
> on a
> foreign king and make him a kShatriya.. can he be taught veda? If yes what
> a smArta teacher from performing such a vrAtyastoma for an avarNa who is an
> Indian and make him a brAhmaNa and teach him veda?
> It is keeping in mind this issue that I said what initiatory ritual must be
> performed should be left to the teacher who is accepting the student i.e. a
> sectarian dIkSha or a dIkSha into the smArta system itself by giving the
> non-vedic mantra-s(This is not something new..)
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