[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Veda-s & its apaurusheyatva
michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk
Fri Sep 4 11:34:04 CDT 2009
Pranams Shri Shyam-ji and others
I'm not here to cavil, but --at least for myself -- to universalise our
The dhatu vid from which veda (small v..) comes, includes the meanings :
find out, comprehend, know about, be conscious of, have a correct notion
of... it's proposing a course of investigation.
The Veda (big V) are a means of that as the trayi-vidya in Hinduism.
But the 'veda' method must apply to all sacred writings for other faiths.
And however one interprets apaurusheya, that 'comprehending' requires seers
to first articulate the Veda, and our individual understanding to realise
that in ourselves.
I find any mention of 'comparative religion' and 'conversion' distasteful
in relation to self-realisation, kaivalya or moksha.
So there should be no limit of chauvinism or ethnicity placed on the Self,
as you imply.
Then we get a divine 'no-claims bonus' !
I hope we're in agreement ?
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Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] [advaitin] Veda-s & its apaurusheyatva
Pranams Shri Michael-ji and others,
I suspect that some people may be reading into what Shri Pravin-ji has so
consistently articulated, an approach that is based on chauvinism or
ethnocentricity. I would like to submit that in fact when examined it is the
This thread was concerned primarily with the status of the Vedas as
apaurusheya and what that term signified.
Now those not in the Vedic fold have their own scriptures to adhere to. It
is wrong to use the term Veda for that. It is also unnecessary. Every belief
system has internal validity for its followers. There is no need to dilute,
or waterdown, or in anyways liberalize the doctrines of the Vedic path, in
order that may make it more palatable to members of other faiths.
When we attempt to do this we actually undermine the validity of those
faiths as well. Why should we look at the Bible or the Quran as Veda? Are
the Abrahamic faiths in need of "Vedic" validation in order for them to be
considered Holy? There is wisdom in every religious scripture, and every
religion has the tools to spiritually cater to the particular temparament
and mindset of its followers.
All this talk of allowing or encouraging "conversion" is silly, as was
pointed out by His Holiness Chandrashekhara Bharati "since he was born in a
particular faith, it was best suited for him to pursue his spiritual
advances in that faith" - similar messages have been similarly articulated
by His Holiness the Sage of Kanchi as well.
The reason can be found in Lord Krishna's words "- Better is one's own
dharma than another's"...shreyah sva-dharmo vigunah para-dharmat
svanusthitat sva-dharme nidhanam shreyah para-dharmo bhayavahah" Of course
in this particular context Bhagwan is referring to the ashramadharma and
varnadharma, but in todays context we can by implication allow this
principle to guide us in regards to the issue of interfaith conversion. To
say that a devout Christian who with unswerving faith embraces austerity,
and penance, and charity, and meditation, and dispassion to the world, and
Supreme love and prayer to the Lord, the Father in Heaven, and Surrender,
will be denied the Kingdom of God - unless that earns him enough karmic
points to find Hinduism is this lifetime and come to Vedanta - to my mind is
what is chauvinistic. Let everyone have not only the freedom but let
everyone be encouraged to have unswerving faith and devotion to his or her
religious background and
its doctrines and its "God" - i.e. the one they were born with - such is an
attitude that stems from implicit faith in the infallibility of the Order
that is Ishwara, and that this Order would have rightfully fashioned for an
individual the environs that are best suited to his or her spiritual
upliftment, and that every such environ has validity in its sphere of
influence. A person who loses faith in his doctrine today and is looking for
a change, may well be the doubting Thomas who loses faith in the new
religion he is now embracing, as soon as his wavering mind finds some other
faith even more appealing.
All of religion is ONLY about spiritual progress as its ultimate
goal...bereft of this end, no religion including the vedic path, has any
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