[Advaita-l] shudra

Michael Shepherd michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk
Mon Aug 24 04:54:24 CDT 2009


Just to record the fact  that I've now purchased Professor Ram Sharan
Sharma's superb and painstaking 'Sudras in Ancient India' subtitled 'A
social history of the lower order down to circa AD 600' (revised since the
original publication in 1958).

I think this should answer all my questions, and perhaps those of others :
for instance, giving the several references in the RgVeda to the tribes of
Daasa and Dasyu..

Professor Sharma's conclusion after sifting the evidence is that 'the
RgVedic society had no recognisable sudra order.' The book follows the
subsequent fortunes and misfortunes of the 'lower order'.

The conclusion would seem to be that today, we pass through all varna from
sudra to brahmana in a single working day ! So perhaps we are fortunate to
live in the kaliyuga after all, as the sages tell us: from the depths, we
can only rise !

Thank you all for your patience.


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H. Vyas
Sent: 20 August 2009 05:54
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Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] shudra

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, Michael Shepherd wrote:

> I would be happy to clear up this matter of 'shudra' with the help of
> members here : it is clearly an aspect of advaita, yet there seems to be a
> confusion about the real meaning of the term -- and thus, whether it has
> relevance in today's society..
> The confusions seem to be two in particular : first, that varna and jati
> 'caste' are randomly used in relation to shudra; and second, that by
> translating it as 'labourer' rather than 'servant' there is a sense of
> inferiority implied.

A big problem is the varna system as depicted in books bears little
relation to the system that actually exists in Indian society.  The Shudra
varna as a sociological category is meaningless.  Shudra castes include
economically dominant landholders, professionals and artisans as well as the
oppressed and downtrodden.  And this is not new, in fact it has been the
state of affairs for all of Indias recorded history.  Even in the shastras
it is not cut and dry.  For instance of the two examples Shankaracharya
gives of Shudras who were jnanis, one Dharmavyadha was a hunter and
butcher of meat but the other Vidura was the minister of the Kurus, hardly
a servile position.

> Yet if the definition of 'servant' and 'service' is applied, it is
> immediately obvious that one can serve kings, ministers, brahmins,
> kshatriyas, and anyone else -- paid or unpaid -- with the highest
> faithfulness, skills, devotion, and knowledge.
> How then can any spiritual gifts be denied to shudras ? How can shudra be
> seen as
> next to dalit in some map of society ?

If Shudra means anything at all it is they are not dvija or twice-born.
That means they are not entitled to initiation into the study of the
Vedas.  The problem is that the Upanishads are the basis of Vedanta and
being part of the Vedas, it would prima facie seem to mean that Shudras
(and women, and foreigners etc.) are not eligible to study Vedanta and
achieve moksha.  This view was indeed held by some thinkers and even in
the Smarta tradition, there are some orders that do not accept non-dvija
or non-Brahmanas.

But this is not the majority view and Shankaracharya
explains why.  The function of the karmakanda of the Vedas is to
produce the desired goal (icchita phala) by means of accumulating
merit and avoiding sin.  This goal once acquired is enjoyed until
it becomes exhausted whereupon the cycle has to begin again.  Adhikara or
eligibility for karma legitimately depends on external factors (along with
caste they could include, gender, age, wealth, region, level of education,
etc.) because the body itself is the product of this process of karma.
However jnana is different.  Brahman is not a thing to be acquired neither
can it be lost as it is the indwelling essence of all that is.  One who
posesses qualities such as chetana (awareness), viveka (the ability to
discriminate between real and non-real,) vairagya (renunciation of
material things) etc. has the adhikara to know Brahman.  And as it is
plainly evident that the non-dvija are capable of posessing such

So much for theory but the practical problem still remains.  Without
access to the Vedas _how_ will non-dvija get the knowledge that leads to
liberation?  Bhagavan Krishna Dvaipayana who is called Vedavyasa because
of organizing the Vedas into four, also took the essence of the Vedas and
composed the Mahabharata (which contains the Bhagavadgita, Sanatasujatiyam
etc.) and the 18 puranas culminating in the Bhagavata.  By studying these
(which are therefore collectively known as the fifth veda,) the non-dvija
can also receive the same spiritual gifts available to the Brahmanas,
Kshatriyas, and Vaishyas.

Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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