[Advaita-l] the sense of "I"
markogregori at gmail.com
Sat Jul 26 00:34:48 CDT 2008
That by which the 'I'sense is perceived or known, That is your real
nature. That can't be perceived.
2008/7/25, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>:
> Dear Marko,
> The 'i' and other 'objects' do not float in Consciousness. If that be so
> then we have to conclude that 'Consciousness' has parts. If Consciousness
> has parts then other attributes such as going to sleep and waking up etc.
> can also belong to the Consciousness. Such a 'consciousness' then cannot be
> beyond the 'prakrthi'. When we talk of 'Consciousness' there is nothing
> apart from it even as its own parts. Therefore 'i' and the 'objects' are
> asat or non-existence. We talk of 'i' (which is the ego) and the 'objects'
> empirically. In doing so we find that the objects are given to senses and
> to the mind without which no perception is made. When perception takes
> place, the perceiver is the 'i' and those that are perceived are the
> 'objects'. In this setup the 'i' is constant and the 'objects' are
> changing. In this setup it is the 'i' that goes to sleep and drowns the
> 'objects' in darkness and as it wakes up it projects them back. What has to
> be understood here is that the 'Consciousness' is ever awake and never
> sleeps and it is the light in which both 'i' and the 'objects' shine. It,
> the 'i' by going into sleep creates darkness for itself in which both 'i'
> and 'objects' are drowned.
> In the light of the above you have to re-examine your statement
> "(Consciousness) Waking up from deep sleep, for example, gives birth to the
> sense of "I" together with everything else." What makes you go to sleep and
> also to wake up is the power of Maya. No one has ever explained how sleeping
> and waking up takes place. Anything said about them is mere approximation.
> Maya itself is undescribeable, anirvachaneeya.
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Marko Gregoric <markogregori at gmail.com>
>> The sense of "I" cannot be detached from the other perceived objects
>> "floating in consciousness" because it is itself a part of consciousness.
>> Waking up from deep sleep, for example, gives birth to the sense of "I"
>> together with everything else. It simply sticks to the perceived all the
>> time. How can it be separated from the perceived? It is impossible. During
>> deep sleep there is no sense of "I" at all but your real nature is still
>> there, with or without the sense of "I". So the identification with the
>> is in my opinion also maya.
>> In other words, the sense of "I" is also perceived and as the perceived
>> cannot be the perceiver (which is your real nature), the "I" is not your
>> real nature. Your real nature therefore posesses no sense at all. All
>> can only exist in the domain of consciousness.
>> That which wakes up in the morning is not your real self, that is maya.
>> ; )
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