[Advaita-l] SSS and Panchapadika (was Re: SSS and bhAmatI)

Raghavendra Hebbalalu hs_raghavendra at yahoo.com
Sat Feb 24 03:42:13 CST 2007


Please note that translations are being used to
compare the original works at the level of words. (
Discussing whether "removed" should be used or
"abolished", for instance)

I am sure everybody here knows that "The method of the
vedanta" is an English translation (By AJ Alston) of
the original Skt. vedAntaprakriyApratyabhijnA and that
is the work from which these quotes are being

Instead of speculation about what words were used,to
be fair to both the panchapAdikA and the pratyabhijnA,
I think it would be better if the originals in
question were discussed. The original words used by
the authors could then be used rather than relying
upon possibly imperfect translations, especially in
sections such as these.

Sorry for the interruption. Please continue the


--- S Jayanarayanan <sjayana at yahoo.com> wrote:

> --- S Jayanarayanan <sjayana at yahoo.com> wrote:
> [..]
> > How about this quote then, where the topic is the
> Panchapadika (p.
> > 463):
> > 
> > "Here the doctrine is that the power of Ignorance
> persists
> > throughout
> > the three states, accompanied by the latent
> impression of the ego.
> > But several points are not explained. When
> Ignorance has been
> > abolished through metaphysical knowledge, how can
> it in some sense
> > continue through a latent impression?"
> > 
> > SSS has phrased his objection in the form of a
> question. In other
> > words, SSS is incredulous that a latent impression
> can exist after
> > metaphysical knowledge!
> > 
> It appears that SSS has actually misunderstood the
> Panchapadika in
> this context, for the textual quote he provides for
> the above
> objection is (page 463):
> "But would it not be the case that, when Ignorance
> was removed
> through knowledge of the Absolute, the ego-complex,
> which is its
> effect, would cease at that very moment? No.
> Ignorance can continue
> in the form of an impression ... (P.P. p. 174/40,
> cp. M.V. 151,2)
> Firstly, the Panchapadika does not say that
> Ignorance is *abolished*,
> but that it has been *removed*. I don't know what
> the Sanskrit words
> used here are, but the latter can mean something
> very different from
> the former.
> The Jivanmuktiviveka distinguishes between three
> kinds of persons:
> Sthitaprajna: Ignorance doesn't exist at all.
> Jnanimatra: Ignorance is removed, but exists as a
> burnt seed.
> Ignorant person: Ignorance exists as a fresh
> (unburnt) seed.
> Therefore, when the Panchapadika says that Ignorance
> can continue in
> the form of a latent impression after knowledge of
> the Self, the
> meaning is that Ignorance *can* exist as a burnt
> seed after attaining
> Knowledge of the Self. There is no problem with the
> Panchapadika's
> teaching since it can be taken as the state of the
> Jnanimatra, but
> there is definitely a problem with SSS's reading of
> the text.
> Regards,
> Kartik
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