[Advaita-l] BrahmaGYAna and jIvanmukti - 5 (Other References)
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Fri Feb 2 18:40:32 CST 2007
>From: S Jayanarayanan <sjayana at yahoo.com>
>Instead of the above mind-boggling possibilities, there is a simpler
>SWAMI SATCHIDANANDENDRA SARASWATI DID NOT COMPREHEND THE DIFFERENCE
>BETWEEN STEADY AND UNSTEADY ATMAGYANA.
>>PS: I sincerely apologize if this email offends anyone. My aim is not
>to offend, but only to point out a blatant inconsistency if one
>doesn't take the JMV or the pa~nchapAdikA as being in line with
guru nindA param dRshtvA dhAvayedatha vArayet |
sthAnam vA tatparithyAjyam jihvAchedA kshamAyadi ||
Per above Guru GItA slokA, wherever there is guru nindA, we should leave
that place right away. I have felt many times that I should not be part of
the group as my gurus were personally attacked in this forum by a few people
in some form or other.
Another verse in Guru GItA says moksha mUlam guror kRpA. It is more
important that we get our gurus grace than discuss whether our gurus
understanding itself is right. We may have great experiences with our own
gurus. But how do we know that he is a jIvanmuktA? We can only expect Him
to shower His grace on us in a manner that we experience the same thing He
experiences. Who am I to judge others with the limited knowledge of the
subject matter - that too without any direct experience of the absolute? All
what we read in texts of the characteristics of a jivanmukta are indicative
only. Unless you compare the textual statements with someone's activities or
realization for 24x7 and measure that person against the standard, you
cannot really quote anything against that person.
Though I respect the erudition of many scholars here, it has been
unfortunate that many articles get glorified and presented here in an
offending manner. Someone asked Sri. Ramana Maharishi whether Sankara was
really a realized soul or just an intellectual? He asked the questioner to
forget Sankara and find whether the questioner himself was realized. (Source
-Talks with RM). I do not think that RM or any one for that matter prove
that Sri. Sankara was also very realized along with being an intellectual.
It is more of a matter or faith passing down the generations through other
masters, who we think are realized. Else where in the same book, RM mentions
that Sankara was a realized soul, yet he took to debates and discussions.
The Acharyas in the tradition have differed over some topics on many
occasions, but how impolite were they to their opponents? Sri. Sankara could
not have debated this way to win His opponents, who eventually became His
disciples. Probably He got the same message in a different tone!
I would really appreciate if all the members can respect others gurus also
in the same manner they respect their gurus without any jingoistic
attitudes. Advaita tradition is just not about intellectual debate,but also
the practice for individuals to better themselves for the actual
By writing this, if I have been impolite or offending in any manner, I
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