[Advaita-l] Importance of Ashram
srirudra at vsnl.com
Thu Dec 13 15:57:09 CST 2007
Well said.In the name of vedantha/religion/philosophy umpteen
ashrams,sadanalayas-there may be a very few exceptions which strive to
uplift a human being spiritually -have sprung up their sole aim is to make
money and more money.I think the present generation is greedy and therfore
to exploit their greed greedy Ashrams have comeup.As you have said where is
the necessity for a person of spiritual pursuit to learn about Corporate
Governance bla bla etc.People are also not knowing what exactly they
want.They can go to a dual mode and ask themselves as to who are you so that
the objectified inner driving force/will will be laid bare and they can act
----- Original Message -----
From: "S Jayanarayanan" <sjayana at yahoo.com>
To: <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Importance of Ashram
> Sorry for the delay in my reply, been busy lately.
> --- Anuj <whereisanuj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Ravi, Thanks for taking the time to review the website, and
>> the reply and concern. You are correct in assessing that
>> self-management is a critical component of the teachings there.
>> then, I am not planning on becoming a monk or an ascetic (by the
>> definition of the word). I am looking to live the rest of my life,
>> potentially 50-60 year additional commitment :) (I'm 28 now) in a
>> balanced and practical manner.
> That pretty much sums up the way many in the list want to live their
> lives, so you're not any different in this sense.
>> I say practical because my current
>> lifestyle steeped in ignorance of the way things really are is
>> unsustainable if I want a happy life (as illusionary as it may be
>> in a
>> vedantic context).
>> I read Swamiji's book "Vedanta Treatise" and couldn't help but read
>> over and over again because of the wealth of knowledge and simple
>> it was all explained. Mind you, after having read many more books
>> Advaita and Vedanta etc. since then I realize there was nothing
>> particularly novel in the content, and they all have the same
>> but that's comforting I guess.
>> Isn't it strange that texts try to explain the unexplainable by
>> words that one can't really understand/experience to begin with. I
>> mean who can conceive of eternity, omnipresence, and omniscience,
>> those are the words used to describe God- a concept we struggle to
>> understand. So trying to explain the unexplainable by using words
>> can't really understand - this is what most do...and it makes no
>> Now I have no doubt many of you know much more technical terms and
>> have done a lot more research and search within than I have so I
>> intend to refute your point or wisdom. I am just saying, I am not
>> looking to technically learn so much as I am dying to experience
>> reality. I have faith in where I am going and look forward to the
>> contemplation that lays ahead.
> That's fine, and I hope you will take my criticism of the
> organization in the right spirit.
> My assessment of the organization: Since we live in a Capitalist
> world today, where everyone earns their livelihood by holding a job
> under circumstances of severe economic competition, the job
> eventually takes its toll on most of us by causing a great deal of
> physical and mental stress. Working to beat the competition purely
> for the sake of money is not spiritually fulfilling, and being
> bulldozed by the competition leaves a bad taste in one's mouth. One
> observes that the management of a company is only keen on succeeding
> in the market-place (where "success" is wholly defined in terms of
> "profit") and wants to improve the work-efficiency of their employees
> for obvious reasons (i.e. Corporate Greed). So one feels
> dissatisfied, and yearns for something better than one's present way
> of life.
> -> Enter "Vedanta world", whose leaders show the organization's
> members how to "use" Vedanta to increase the work-efficiency and
> productivity of their members while at the same time reducing stress.
> In other words, this organization teaches a "FUSION of Capitalism and
> Vedanta for the Modern work-force". Bluntly put, this feels like a
> "Cult with good intentions".
> Here's what they advertise on their website:
> The program lays emphasis on the following topics:
> 1. PRINCIPLES OF STRESS MANAGEMENT
> 2. THE SCIENCE OF PRODUCTIVITY
> 3. THE ESSENCE OF LEADERSHIP
> 4. THE TECHNIQUE OF TIME MANAGEMENT
> 5. WORK ETHICS FOR CORPORATE GOVERNANCE
> Every single topic contains the jargon of Capitalist Management! It
> is interesting that as a part of "self-management", one is taught the
> "Science of Productivity". Where does Vedanta talk about the science
> of productivity, may I ask? If so, how can it be called "Vedanta" -
> why not simply call it "Balanced Teachings for Modern Everyday
> Living" or something equally descriptive of the organization's goals
> instead of cheapening the good name of a glorious religious and
> philosophical tradition? IMHO, it is quite sneaky on the part of the
> "Vedanta world" to get the "Vedanta" stamp on these teachings, no
> matter how "helpful" some people find the teachings to be.
> Is it not strange that neither Sankara nor any of the great Vedanta
> Teachers say nothing about how to "use" Vedanta for increasing
> productivity, whereas all the so-called Modern teachers of Vedanta
> inject Capitalist Management ideas into their own version of Vedanta?
> I recently came across a book claiming that Krishna was imparting the
> knowledge of Modern Management Principles to Arjuna in the Gita!
> People read all sorts of things into the Gita depending upon their
> mental makeup, without ever consulting a good commentary on the text.
> It is true that the Gita can definitely be interpreted in the Modern
> context in a slightly different manner than the ancient commentaries
> - Ramana Maharshi has done so for instance - but to read Capitalist
> Management Principles into the scripture is a stretch of the
> I'd rather learn from a traditional teacher of Vedanta any day!
>> In appreciation,
> Good luck with your spiritual pursuits,
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