[Advaita-l] BrahmaGYAna and jIvanmukti - 2 (The Case of YAGYavalkya)
bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com
bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com
Wed Nov 15 02:55:27 CST 2006
praNAms Sri Kartik Jayaraman prabhuji
Let's consider the differences between these two (call them 'G' for
GYAnI and 'S' for Scholar) that have been discussed so far in the
Prabhuji, thanks for the clarification. But kindly note that I am not
asking you the difference between jnAni & ajnAni (scholars)...But I wanted
to know what would be the yardstick that we can use to assess the status of
jnAna of a brahmajnAni to make him distinct from ordinary scholarly ajnAni
& jIvan mukta or brahmavit in absolute sense...
KJ prabhuji :
1) G has saMyak-GYAna. S doesn't.
saMyak-GYAna is "Perfect knowledge". In the snake-rope analogy,
saMyak-GYAna is seeing rope-as-rope. S instead has mithyA-GYAna which
is seeing rope-as-snake.
Agreed...but this same rule can be applied to brahmajnAni also who has not
yet realized the ultimate!!! Every vEdAntic scholar in advaita knows how
to deal with snake & rope analogy, in which context this has been used etc.
& can talk hours together why snake is adhyArOpita on rope & why rope is
the ultimate reality of *snake* etc. (like we did somany times earlier in
this list :-)).. But if at all we consider difference between brahmajnAni &
scholar, the problem of this mithyA gyAna is same to both of them is it
2) G has aparoksha-GYAna. S doesn't.
aparoksha-GYAna is seeing Brahman *with no mediacy* -- meaning not
merely through book-learning or hearing, but directly. S in contrast
has only paroksha-GYAna.
Yes again agreed...but still my above problem remains..
> From my understanding, it is like saying, since our
> AchArya Sri VidyAraNya saying that there is difference between
> these two,
> we have to accept it....I hope that would not be the case & Sri
> prabhuji will address these issues in detail in his subsequent
> posts by
> providing logical answers with proper supportings from shruti-s...
AFAIK, there is a smR^iti quote from Apastamba dharma sUtra
188.8.131.52-16 that distinguishes AtmaGYAna from mukti, which I will
get to in a later posting in the series.
Kindly do that prabhuji.. I dont have the text of this dharma sUtra...Even
Sri Vidya prabhuji too had said earlier that there is a difference between
sadyO mukti & jIvan mukti.(I dont know whether shankara anywhere takes this
topic exclusively)..but still the difference is not clear to me especially
when compared the knowledge status of a brahmajnAni (NOT jIvan mukta/sadyo
mukta) with that of an ordinary vEdic scholar.
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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