[Advaita-l] tradition, advaita, apauruSheyatva etc.

elisabeth-sylvain at sympatico.ca elisabeth-sylvain at sympatico.ca
Mon May 8 14:48:22 CDT 2006

Dear Amuthan

(A) i don't know if i gave u a picture that either i or the traditional 
advaitin-s are fundamentalists.

(S) no.

(A) believing in the apauruSheyatva of the vedAs and having respect and 
tolerance for other religions are NOT contradictory.

(S) i agree with you.
I just wanted to resume what Ma AnandamayI said (Beware ! this is a 
" If there is doctrine, there is no way to attain comprehension." (does 
"comprehension" means "turyaga" here ?).
Anyway, i undestand that even "advaita" must be transcended as a mental 

Ramana Maharshi said the same in other words.


>From: Amuthan <aparyap at yahoo.co.in>
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>To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta 
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>Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] tradition, advaita, apauruSheyatva etc.
>Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 03:19:44 +0100 (BST)
>namo nArAyaNAya!
>dear list members,
>this is a consolidated reply to three different mails.
>before that, let me make a few things absolutely
>1. my intention in giving such rigid (??) definitions
>of who is fit to be called an 'advaitin' is solely to
>distinguish all modern day thinkers who pass anything
>and everything under their hat as advaita from true
>advaitin-s like shRNgeri AchAryAs etc.
>(let me also make it clear that with such rigid
>definitions, i can't claim to be an advaitin, but i
>can't alter the definitions to fit myself in. it is
>important to look at things objectively and call a
>spade a spade.)
>2. science is an absolutely wonderful tool that MUST
>be utilized for all phenomena that operate within the
>realm of our senses. outside this, it is stupid to
>expect science to explain things. this is all i was
>saying regarding science and vedAnta.
>now to individual replies...
>to Sylvan:
>i don't know if i gave u a picture that either i or
>the traditional advaitin-s are fundamentalists. this
>is NOT the case. believing in the apauruSheyatva of
>the vedAs and having respect and tolerance for other
>religions are NOT contradictory. let me assure you
>that i DON'T hate the other religions :)
>to Ger:
>call all modern attempts to realize the one self
>within as neo-advaita or modern non-dualism or
>something of that sort. i have no problems with that.
>what i'm paranoid about is calling all these 'advaita
>and Ger, you are free to express your thoughts. i
>fully well understand your problem and why you feel
>uncomfortable in tradition based discussions. you are
>free to discuss your ideas, but in this list, the
>validity of any statement made will always be
>determined based on 'advaita vedAnta', the
>philosophical system taught shaMkara.
>and adhering to traditions is certainly not a greater
>bondage than thinking that one is a body. of course,
>even this has to be transcended, but this is done only
>at the end, not at the very beginning :)
>to Manish:
>all that i want to say to you, i have already said.
>the gist is that you repeatedly say what you think
>advaita is, but that is not what has come to be called
>advaita vedAnta. if you understand this, there is no
>necessity for any further arguments. if you don't
>understand this, then no amount of my arguments is
>going to convince you (as past history in the list has
>shown !?) and hence there is no point in further
>arguments. either way, i feel there is no point in
>continuing this thread with you.
>my sincere request would be first understand what
>advaita vedAnta is. i'm not asking you to agree to
>what it says. if you don't find yourself comfortable
>with that, then don't call yourself an advaitin. as i
>said earlier, i'm emphasizing on this more to protect
>the dignity of great AchAryAs who have graced this
>land than to show shortcomings in others. please
>understand this in the right sense.
>vAsudevaH sarvaM,
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