[Advaita-l] Re: Advaita-l Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1
svidyasankar at hotmail.com
Mon Jun 2 18:40:15 CDT 2003
>It is not peculiar. The 12th chapter begins with that question.
>UpAsanA of avyaktA ( chit-prakrti) or You ( SriKrishna) which is better?.
avyakta in chapter 12 is not prakRti, except in AnandatIrtha's thought.
>aE-vam sa-ta-ta-yu-ktA yaE
>bha-ktA-stvAm pa-ryu-pA-sa-taE |
>taE-SHAm kaE yO-ga-vi-tta-mAH || 12.1
>Which is considered to be more perfect, those who are properly engaged in
>devotional service, or those who worship the impersonal Brahman, the
So, according to you, it is incorrect to take avyakta in this verse as
referring to nirguNa brahman.
>But SriKrishna has already rejected it by saying
>avyaktam vyaktimaapannam manyante maam abudhdhayaha || 7.24 ||
>Only the un-intelligent think that I have manifested from the Unmanifested
Hold on, you just said that in chapter 12, avyakta is cit-prakRti. Why are
you inconsistent? Suddenly, in 7.24 you want to take avyakta as
"Unmanifested impersonal Brahman". Why don't you take avyakta in 7.24 also
Or conversely, why don't you take avyakta in 12.1 as "Unmanifested
>So, what do you think this avyaktaa is? if it is not chit-prakrti or
You tell me. You take it as two different things in two different places in
the same text.
For me it is very clear. avyaktaM vyaktim ApannaM manyante mAm abuddhayaH -
the meaning is straightforward. abuddhayaH mAM avyaktaM manyante vyaktim
abuddhayaH - those without intelligence
mAM - me
avyaktaM - the unmanifested
manyante - think
vyaktim Apannam - as having manifested.
"The unintelligent think of me, who am really unmanifested, as having taken
a manifest form."
In 7.24, Krishna tells us that although he appears to have a form, he
remains really Unmanifested - nirvikAra. In 12.1, arjuna asks about the
different types of devotion, those who are attracted to devotion to the form
he has apparently taken as compared to those who are devoted to him as the
unmanifested one. Krishna says that the path of the latter is more difficult
- the path of jnAna is indeed difficult. Try controlling the senses (an
essential prerequisite for jnAna) even for a small period of time. But
difficult does not mean impossible. jnAnI tv Atmaiva me matam, says Krishna
(chapter 7). The jnAnI is the Lord's own self. Simply because there is
ultimately no distinction between one jnAnI and another.
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