Nature of Grace
sivadancer at YAHOO.COM
Tue Feb 4 23:07:48 CST 2003
Thank you for the reply. I understand now that "grace"
is not dualistic. It doesn't come from outside, but
from your Self, and that PROPER practice will help to
remove ignorance so that your Self will be revealed as
Brahman. And only then do you truly have free will.
--- Bhadraiah Mallampalli <vaidix at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> Dear Ronaldo,
> The discussion of "practice" as a shadowy word that
> fits somewhere between
> the dualism (I dare use this word here) of pure
> karma/ritual and
> jnana/knowledge is interesting. I have followed and
> participated in this
> topic on some new-age boards, but no one listened to
> my opinion, so I gave
> up. :-)
> >1) Brahman remains an unaffected witness
> >2) Only Brahman chooses who to grace with jnana
> >3) any practices or karma cannot result in jnana
> >4) Brahman seems to only grace those who are doing
> some practice (maybe
> >there are a few "innocents" who are "struck by
> lightning" but the majority
> >or those graced are those who are doing some sort
> of meditation or
> >contemplation practice.)
> >Therefore it seems that Brahman does not remain
> unaffected; Brahman is
> >affected by practice, choosing to grace those who
> do so practice. And
> >therefore it seems practices are needed to secure
> the grace of Brahman.
> This discussion assumes depends on and another
> tricky phrase called "free
> will" and if such free will really exists. The
> answer is yes or no.
> Innocents and Ignorant people think they have free
> will, and even claims
> things like human rights, freedom of speech etc.
> Innocents sure deserve free
> will, but that is besides the point.
> As long as we are forced to do certain karmas such
> as breathing (inhalation
> and exhalation) about which we have no choice, all
> the free will that we
> enjoy is fake. Period. Till we know why we inhale,
> there is no free will.
> Till the time we know why we feel hungry there is no
> free will.
> Till the time we know answers for these questions,
> all we can do is
> karma/work/ritual/practice of breathing.
> While the option/choice of not doing these has been
> ruled out, doing all
> this karma/work/ritual/practice does not guarantee
> answers either.
> While doing these we need to figure out why we are
> doing these. So practice
> is not any special thing that I am doing and you are
> not. We are all doing
> the same 'practice' knowingly or unknowingly.
> Doing the karma/work/ritual/practice unknowingly
> surely doesn't help. After
> all if don't "know" what practice we are doing and
> why, what to expect about
> our "knowing" Brahman?
> So doing the karma/work/ritual/practice "knowingly"
> might help!
> But after getting knowledge one will realize that
> one is not doing anything
> at all. It is simply the consciousness splitting
> itself into various
> java-like threads.
> So finally knowledge is what alone helps and
> matters, even not doing karma
> is fine.
> Isn't grace also dualistic? Someone graceful
> showering grace on someone
> Best regards
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