K Kathirasan NCS kkathir at NCS.COM.SG
Wed May 29 22:23:02 CDT 2002

Namaste Vivekji

In your point 1, you have mentioned that 'every single vedantin has held
such a view'. May I know who these vedantins are please? So do you consider
Swami Chinmayananda, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Sivananda, Swami Dayananda
Saraswati (not the arya samaj swamiji), Swami Paramarthananda, Ramana
Maharishi etc.... vedantins?

I may not start a further discussion on this topic upon your reply.
Nevertheless I am expecting your reply. Regards.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vivek Anand Ganesan [SMTP:v_ganesan at YAHOO.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:50 AM
> Subject:      Re: Gayatri Mantra and Agarwals
> I fully concur with what other list members have written
> regarding the scope of this list and its best use etc.
> But, I feel that this issue also has to be discussed
> albeit within the parameters of this list. It would be best
> if people discussed what bhagavatpAda's views were on
> adhikAram etc. ( trust me, this topic has been discussed
> before, just search the archives; it keeps popping up
> because it is a basic issue and I think skirting around it
> won't help one bit ).
>   Based on past discussions ( I have been following this
> list since 1998 ), the following was agreed :
> 1) shrI shankara has upheld the view that women and non-
>    dvijas are ineligible to study the vedas.  But, AFAIK,
>    such a view has been upheld by every single vedAntin.
>    So, it is not that shankara or advaita alone is
>    "casteist" and "misogynist".
> 2) Again, it was pointed out that there is absolutely no
>    restriction when it came to j~nAna and to talk about
>    adhikAram etc. with respect to j~nAna is ridiculous.
> 3) I have a set of books by H.H. Holenarasipur Swamiji who
>    also states 1) but adds that it is OK to discuss shruti
>    in any language other than Sanskrit ( he sort of implies
>    this in one place ).  Since this list is English-based,
>    I don't think it is a problem as long as we discuss
>    advaita-related texts.  So, there is no limitation on
>    this list ( I believe the moderators concur, judging by
>    the diversity of the membership ) based on birth or
>    gender.
> -Vivek.
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