ShrIrAmanavamI information (3 levels of rAmAyaNa)
anandhudli at HOTMAIL.COM
Thu Apr 2 10:35:35 CST 1998
>As Govind pointed out kamba rAmAyanam is revered in TN. It is one of
>the longest epics in tamizh. In this version of rAmAyanam, shrI rAmar
>is not treated like mortal at any place. As an avatar of Lord vishhNu
>is rightfully revered throughout the text. In this avatar, even
>though shrI rAmachandra mUrthi puts on the act like a mortal, the fact
>that he is the Ishwara who has incarnated to establish dharma is
>emphasized by kambar.
>From hearsay information I gather that vAlmiki does not offer such a
>position to shrI rAma. I do not have a first hand knowledge on this.
I have not read Kamban's rAmAyaNa, but I have read most of the
Vaalmiiki rAmAyaNa, the adhyaatma rAmAyaNa, and a translation
of Tulsidas' rAmyaNa, the rAmacharita-mAnas. I have tried to
analyze below the many versions of rAmAyaNa from karma-bhakti-jnaana
points of view. I encourage any comments on this analysis.
Many years ago, during my student days, I read the Vaalmiiki
RaamAyaNa upto the end of the yuddha-kANDa. The uttara kANDa
which follows the yuddha kANDa is considered by many to be a
later addition to an existing epic. The yuddha kANDa ends with
the return of Raama, Siitaa, LaxmaNa, and the vAnara chiefs
to ayodhya, after the war, and Rama's assuming the role of the
king of ayodhya.
My impression is that Vaalmiiki has acknowledged that Raama is
divine, but he (Vaalmiiki) has chosen to depict rAma primarily as
a perfect human being - a hero, who upholds dharma, a dutiful son,
a faithful husband, an affectionate brother, a trustworthy friend,
and so on. The intention of Vaalmiiki is perhaps to depict rAma
so that He may be a lofty ideal that all of us human beings should
strive for. So everyone should try to emulate rAma in our day to
day dealings with our fellow human beings, the core message being
that we should always stick to dharma. This is the intention of
Vaalmiiki, as far as I can understand.
Next, consider versions such as the adhyaatma rAmAyaNa, where the
author never misses an opportunity to point out that rAma is God.
From the very beginning, there is no doubt left in the reader's
mind that rAma is the very same as the four-handed ViShNu, the Lord
of LakShmI. The intention of the author here is to evoke bhakti
towards rAma, so that we may worship Him, be engaged in reciting
His glories, delight in chanting the "rAma-nAma", and so on. The
role of rAma as a human being, and the difficulties He had to face
in His life on earth, are secondary to the role of rAma as the
incarnation of ViShNu. In fact, the adhyaatma rAmAyaNa, and possibly
many other versions that I have not read, point out that all the
hardships that rAma underwent were just His mAyA and not real. For
example, in the adhyaatma rAmAyaNa, what rAvaNa kidnapped is not
the real sItA, but a fake sItA. So we must conclude that the
real objective of such versions are to make us turn towards
Finally, there is the Yoga vAsiShTha rAmAyaNa. Here the main message
is not karma, not bhakti, but jnaana. Here rAma plays the role of
a sincere disciple approaching a Guru (vAsiShTha) for instruction
on jnaana. Since rAma Himself is God or Ishvara, one may ask how
is it that rAma could be subjected to ajnaana or ignorance which
had to be removed by the jnaana received from vAsiShTha? The answer
is simple. rAma could not really have been under ajnaana. Ishvara
can never come under the influence of ajnaana. He only sought
the instructions of vAsiShTha for the benefit of those of us who
are helpless victims of ajnaana.
So one may study rAma in three ways. We may emulate Him in
our dealings with society and the world by following dharma. This is
the way of karma yoga. We may worship rAmA as God, let our
minds be absorbed in bhakti. This is the way of bhakti yoga.
We may study the instructions that rAma received from vAsiShTha
in the Yoga vAsiShTha, reflect on those teachings which repeatedly
assert the unreality of the world and reality of the Self. This
is oriented towards jnaana yoga.
The Vaalmiiki rAmAyaNa teaches more of karma mArga than bhakti and
jnaana. (This does not mean that there are no elements of bhakti
and jnaana at all in Vaalmiiki's version. I only mean that such
elements are not predominant.) The adhyaatma rAmAyaNa teaches
bhakti as a way to attain jnaana. It asserts in more than one place
the mithyaatva (unreality) of the world, but recommends rAma-bhakti
as a means of freeing oneself from ajnaana. rAma is the parabrahman
which remains after ajnaana is destroyed. The Yoga vAsiShTha, of
course, upholds the jnaana mArga.
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>From Thu Apr 2 14:47:17 1998
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:47:17 -0500
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Ravi Mayavaram <msr at REDDY20.TAMU.EDU> writes:
> As a member of the list, I can hit the D key on many such posts, which
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> definitely not for discussing new-age philosophies. Personally I
> remain silent like many others because, I do not want to write
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I also prefere silence to a daring display of ignorance! Consequently,
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