[Advaita-l] Accounting for Brahman appearing as the world

[H S Chandramouli]

To avoid confusion, perhaps the statement

 << 'The body-mind (that was wrongly seen
 as the Self) is (now known to be) nothing but the Upaniṣadic Atman.'
​ >>

could be rephrased as

<< the Self (that was wrongly seen as the body-mind ) is ( now known to be
) nothing but the Upanisadic Atman >>.

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2017-09-09 13:30 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:

> On 9 Sep 2017 13:19, "Ravi Kiran" <ravikiranm108 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Namaste
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 12:37 PM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > On 9 Sep 2017 12:27, "Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l" <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > Namaste Sri Praveen
> >
> > You are right. If Badhayam Samanadhikaranyam is not accepted it becomes
> > Parinama Vada only. But Advaita is not Parinama Vada. It is Vivarta Vada.
> > After Bhranti is over the Snake is not seen. In Badhayam
> Samanadhikaranyam
> > the Badhita Vastu will be Vyavaharika or Pratibhasika but not
> Paramarthika.
> > It will not be seen after realization.
> >
> >
> >
> > BSB: ब्रह्मसूत्रभाष्यम् । तृतीयः अध्यायः । तृतीयः
> > पादः । व्याप्त्यधिकरणम् । सूत्रम् ९ - भाष्यम्
> >
> > व्याप्तेश्च समञ्जसम् ॥ ९ ॥
> > भाष्यम् ‘ओमित्येतदक्षरमुद्गीथमुपासीत’ (छा. उ. १-१-१)
> > <http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/php/format.php?bhashya=
> > Chandogya&page=01&hval=%E2%80%98%E0%A4%93%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF%
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> > A5%8D%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A5%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%AA%
> > E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A4%E2%80%99%20%28%E0%A4%9B%
> > E0%A4%BE.%20%E0%A4%89.%20%E0%A5%A7-%E0%A5%A7-%E0%A5%A7%29#
> Ch_C01_S01_V01>
> >
> > इत्यत्र
> > अक्षरोद्गीथशब्दयोः सामानाधिकरण्ये श्रूयमाणे
> अध्यासापवादैकत्वविशेषणपक्षाणां
> > प्रतिभासनात् कतमोऽत्र पक्षो न्याय्यः स्यादिति विचारः । तत्र अध्यासो नाम —
> > द्वयोर्वस्तुनोः अनिवर्तितायामेव अन्यतरबुद्धौ अन्यतरबुद्धिरध्यस्यते ;
> > यस्मिन् इतरबुद्धिरध्यस्यते, अनुवर्तत एव तस्मिन् तद्बुद्धिः,
> > अध्यस्तेतरबुद्धावपि— यथा नाम्नि ब्रह्मबुद्धावध्यस्यमानायामपि अनुवर्तत एव
> > नामबुद्धिः, न ब्रह्मबुद्ध्या निवर्तते — यथा वा प्रतिमादिषु
> > विष्ण्वादिबुद्ध्यध्यासः — एवमिहापि अक्षरे उद्गीथबुद्धिरध्यस्येत, उद्गीथे
> वा
> > अक्षरबुद्धिरिति । अपवादो नाम — यत्र कस्मिंश्चिद्वस्तुनि पूर्वनिविष्टायां
> > मिथ्याबुद्धौ निश्चितायाम्, पश्चादुपजायमाना यथार्था बुद्धिः
> पूर्वनिविष्टाया
> > मिथ्याबुद्धेः निवर्तिका भवति — यथा देहेन्द्रियसङ्घाते आत्मबुद्धिः,
> > आत्मन्येव आत्मबुद्ध्या पश्चाद्भाविन्या ‘तत्त्वमसि’ (छा. उ. ६-८-७)
> > <http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/php/format.php?bhashya=
> > Chandogya&page=06&hval=%E2%80%98%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%
> > E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%BF%E2%80%
> > 99%20%28%E0%A4%9B%E0%A4%BE.%20%E0%A4%89.%20%E0%A5%AC-%E0%
> > A5%AE-%E0%A5%AD%29#Ch_C06_S08_V07>
> >
> > इत्यनया
> > यथार्थबुद्ध्या निवर्त्यते — यथा वा दिग्भ्रान्तिबुद्धिः
> > दिग्याथात्म्यबुद्ध्या निवर्त्यते —
> >
> > Here both the adhyasa and the apavada type of sāmā...' are shown.  In
> > apavada type (which is what is relevant to the bādhāyām...type), when the
> > wrong identification as the Self with the body-mind complex is dispelled
> by
> > the right knowledge of the Self, the sāmānādhikaraṇya is between 'the
> > body-mind complex' and the 'Atman',
> >
>
> The below statement -
>
>
> > 'The body-mind (that was wrongly seen
> > as the Self) is (now known to be) nothing but the Upaniṣadic Atman.'
>
>
>  is not clear - it seems to equate the mithyA upAdhi with the upanisadic
> Atman ??
>
> can you elaborate, what was intended ?
>
>
> Yes. Just as the snake is realized to be none other than the rope, the
> body-mind complex is realized to be in truth the true self. Here the
> imagined object is negated on the realization of the real object there.
> Upon negation what remains is the real object alone. What was wrongly seen
> as snake is verily the rope. This is the baadha saamaanaadhikaranyam.
>
> vs
>
>
> The
> > right knowledge of the Atman dispels the wrong knowledge of the body-mind
> > as the Self.  This is the bādhā of the wrong knowledge.
> >
> > VS
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
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