[Advaita-l] DSV in the advaitasiddhi: no anavasthA doSha in dRShTi-sRShti
anandhudli at hotmail.com
Wed Sep 6 11:48:46 EDT 2017
What do you mean by outside the scope of DSV?
When you say avidya is anAdi, do not assume it exist from anAdi times. Do
not forget, one of the definition of mithyatvaM is it is a pratiyOgi for
negation at all three times (past, present & future). Since anAdi is time
aspect of past and present, such anAdi six entities are equally
non-existent as you are suppose to do niShEda in the past.
By simply taking avidya (and other six entities) outside of scope of DSV
will not protect them from definition of mithya. So you have to admit,
either DSV is short of covering all mithya entities (avyApti dOSha), or
call those six entities are not mithya.
This has been discussed before. I would not like to repeat myself. Please
go through the archives and you will find the answers.
On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 8:51 PM, Anand Hudli <anandhudli at hotmail.com> wrote:
> But the dream is not just pure vRitti prakriya. It needs Consciousness as
> well. Otherwise you will end up with ridiculous position saying robots can
> So, since dream is Consciousness qualified by a vRtti, the original
> objection by nyAyAmritakAra is still applicable. Nothing is refuted using
> this dream analogy.
> I have no time for stupidity. vRtti arising from avidyA does not mean
> Consciousness is not involved. The Consciousness (cit) is the adhiShThAna
> for avidyA. Between Consciousness and avidyA, there is no scope for
> anavasthA, because both are *not* created as per DSV. They are anAdi.
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Anand Hudli <anandhudli at hotmail.com>
>> Saying "two vRittis that have contents of each other" itself is a piece of
>> knowledge, who's knowledge is this? That begs again the need for
>> consciousness delimited by vritti. You are back to original anavastha
>> You can get away with this problem if you were to admit one of those two
>> vRittis is svaprakASha and hence svayam-nirvahaka in serving this
>> without need of Consciousness. But by saying so, you will end up with two
>> conscious entities -- the original Conscious and this vRitti with
>> Just as in a dream there is a vRtti-jnAna of an object (example, pot) and
>> its anuvyavasAya vRtti, i.e. jnAna of the form "I know the pot" (ghaTam
>> ahaM jAnAmi), without the need for a third vRtti, in DSV too, these two
>> kinds of vRttis are sufficient for knowledge of an object and its
>> awareness/experience. The vRttis arise from avidyA, which is one of the six
>> anAdi entities admitted to be outside the scope of DSV type of creation. So
>> there is no anavasthA.
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