[Advaita-l] Fw: Re: Fwd: Rama and Krishna are Jiva-s - Mahabharata

[Kalyan]

--- On Wed, 5/24/17, Kalyan <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Kalyan <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fwd: Rama and Krishna are Jiva-s - Mahabharata
> To: "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>, "Praveen R. Bhat" <bhatpraveen at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2017, 4:36 PM
> Dear Sri Praveenji
> 
> I am not sure how to respond to your
> post, since I am only putting forward the position of other
> schools. Just as advaitins call themselves as vedantins,
> vaishnavas and shaivas are also justified in doing so. I
> believe your questions are better directed to Vaishnavas or
> Shaivas, rather than to me. 
> 
> I will reply to your post on the
> Atman's avidya, after some time.
> 
> Regards
> Kalyan
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 5/24/17, Praveen R. Bhat <bhatpraveen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>  Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Fwd: Rama and
> Krishna are Jiva-s - Mahabharata
>  To: "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
>  Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2017, 4:29
> PM
>  
>  Namaste Kalyanji,,
>  On 24 May 2017 9:48 pm, "Kalyan"
>  <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
>  wrote: 
>  
>  >
>  
>  > For your third point, the idea
> that Vishnu is Ishwara
>  is present in the upanishads (narayana
> suktam). If it were
>  not present, even Shankara would not
> have accepted. So the
>  vaishnavas are well justified in
> calling themselves as
>  vedantins. Shaivas too would be
> similarly justified.
>  For one, Vishnu being Ishvara in the
> Upanishad
>  does not lead to conclusion that
> Vishnu gives mukti. 
>  And for another, if you insist that it
> does and
>  also say that so does Shiva, then the
> logical explanation
>  would be that they are one and the
> same or the common basis
>  among them is to be inquired into.
>  gurupAdukAbhyAm,
>  
>  --Praveen
>