[Advaita-l] Who is Ishwara? He is NARAYANA only. Beautiful and soothing Narayana Bhajan

[GR Vishwanath]

A thread like this reminds us why our ancients might have wanted to keep
this a secret tradition, and that there might be minimum qualifications
(like keeping the ego somewhat in check).

"I failed my Phd qualifying exams; I think it is because the professor
wanted to created a "coterie" of students who cleared the basic
qualifications."

This tangentially reminds me of  something that Manasatarangini warns about
- this is one of the dangers of the Dharma evolving to a point where
everything is all about Advaitam all the time, to the exclusion of other
darshanas and traditions; darshanas that could absorb their share of the
self-obsessed :-)



On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Kalyan via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> I am amused Vidyasankar. How could your warning have come sooner when I
> write only occasionally on the list?
>
> I think this list is a coterie, but I have no plans to quit on my own
> since I am only an occasional participant.
>
> Now moving on to your answer to my main question- If I know myself as
> nirvishesha Atman, I am no longer an ignoramus. But who was I before I
> gained this knowledge? Wasn't I the Atman? Isn't the Atman then the biggest
> ignoramus?
>
> Moreover, you and I are both the One and same Atman. Why does my knowledge
> automatically not lead to your knowledge? After all, being the same entity,
> we both sink and swim together. Why do we both have to separately strive
> for liberation?
>
> Best Regards
> Kalyan
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 5/21/17, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Who is Ishwara? He is NARAYANA only. Beautiful
> and soothing Narayana Bhajan
>  To: "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
>  Cc: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
> vedanta.org>
>  Date: Sunday, May 21, 2017, 2:47 PM
>
>  If you knew that, Kalyan, you
>  should agree that this comes much later,  rather than
>  sooner. And if you think this list forms a coterie that
>  excludes you, the decision about what comes next is
>  yours.
>  Best
>  regards,Vidyasankar
>  On May 21, 2017 10:07
>  AM, "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
>  wrote:
>  Vidyasankar
>
>
>
>  I knew you would warn me sooner or later. This list is meant
>  for a coterie of a few. A mutual admiration society, I
>  should say. If somebody does not fall in line, he or she is
>  out.
>
>
>
>  Now do whatever you want to do as the moderator.
>
>
>
>  Regards
>
>  Kalyan
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------ --------------
>
>  On Sun, 5/21/17,
>  Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>   Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Who is Ishwara? He is NARAYANA
>  only. Beautiful and soothing Narayana Bhajan
>
>   To: "A discussion group for Advaita
>  Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
>  vedanta.org>, "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>
>
>   Date: Sunday, May 21, 2017, 10:34 AM
>
>
>
>   Kalyan, I have a two part
>
>   answer for you. The first is as an individual responding
>  to
>
>   you. The second is as a moderator of this list.
>
>   If you know yourself as nirguNa, nirviSesha, then
>
>   you are no longer an ignoramus. If you know yourself as
>  any
>
>   other, then you are the biggest ignoramus. Yet, whatever
>
>   little you know in your ignorance is only through the
>  light
>
>   of your own self. Therefore, this nirguNa nirviSesha self
>  is
>
>   described as the paraMjyoti.
>
>   That said, watch your language and your combative
>
>   attitude. This list does not exist to fatten
>  anybody's
>
>   ego. Over the course of several posts, it appears that
>  your
>
>   motive is to showcase how well you can get under the
>  skins
>
>   of other list members. In that case, take it elsewhere.
>  It
>
>   contradicts your professed claims of wanting to have
>
>   productive discussions. You are trying the patience of
>
>   almost everybody here. The moderators have mostly taken a
>
>   benign attitude towards your posting history, but this is
>
>   something up with which we don't have to put
>
>   forever.
>
>   Vidyasankar
>
>   On May 21, 2017 1:33
>
>   AM, "Kalyan via Advaita-l" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
>  vedanta.org>
>
>   wrote:
>
>   Isn't
>
>   the nirguNa nirvishesha Atman itself the biggest and only
>
>   ignoramus in advaita? It beats me how such an Atman,
>
>   wallowing in ignorance, can be described as param jyoti.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   Regards
>
>
>
>   Kalyan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------ --------------
>
>
>
>   On Sun, 5/21/17, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l
>  <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
>
>   vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Who is Ishwara? He is NARAYANA
>
>   only. Beautiful and soothing Narayana Bhajan
>
>
>
>    To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
>
>   <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
>
>   vedanta.org>
>
>
>
>    Cc: "V Subrahmanian" <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>    Date: Sunday, May 21, 2017, 2:10 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 11:05 PM,
>
>
>
>    Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
>
>
>
>    advaita-l at lists.advaita-
>
>   vedanta.org>
>
>
>
>    wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    > Namaste
>
>
>
>    >
>
>
>
>    > I listen to this
>
>
>
>    popular Narayana Bhajan without fail everyday like
>
>
>
>    > many many people -
>
>
>
>    >
>
>
>
>    > https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>
>   v=BnLfUf1Iefc
>
>
>
>    >
>
>
>
>    > In the Narayana Sukta
>
>
>
>    Narayana is the Ultimate Ishwara. Who is He? The
>
>
>
>    > Upanisad has said -
>
>
>
>    >
>
>
>
>    > sa brahma sa śivaḥ
>
>
>
>    sa hariḥ sendraḥ so'kṣaraḥ paramaḥ
>
>
>
>    svarāṭ.
>
>
>
>    >
>
>
>
>    > He is
>
>
>
>    Brahma, Siva, Vishnu, Indra and other gods. He is the
>
>
>
>    > Imperishable, the Absolute, the Autonomous
>
>
>
>    Being.
>
>
>
>    >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    Sayana in the bhashya to this sukta says - it
>
>
>
>    is not any mūrtiviṣeśa, that
>
>
>
>    is not any
>
>
>
>    particular form, meaning that it is Nirguna Brahman. He
>
>
>
>    gives
>
>
>
>    the shruti 'param
>
>
>
>    jyotirupasampadya..' which is discussed in the
>  brahma
>
>
>
>    sutra bhashya as the self that is realized upon
>
>
>
>    right knowledge. This is
>
>
>
>    nirguna Brahman in
>
>
>
>    Advaita.  Sayana also says that this entity is the
>
>
>
>    adhishthana for the aropita jagat. That is
>
>
>
>    again nirguna brahman.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    regards
>
>
>
>    vs
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>    >
>
>
>
>    > --
>
>
>
>    > Regards
>
>
>
>    >
>
>
>
>    > -Venkatesh
>
>
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>    >
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