[Advaita-l] Debunking Drishti-Srishti Vada and Eka Jiva Vada - part 1
Praveen R. Bhat
bhatpraveen at gmail.com
Wed Jul 19 12:14:49 EDT 2017
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Praveen R. Bhat via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> This is appropriating the concept of mithyAtva itself to drishTi srishTi
>> vAda - I don't think there is any basis to do that. The reason for this is
>> in the text below that you quoted.
> Are you saying that mithyAtva concept is applicable only to SDV?!
> > Once I conclude that what is seen is an appearance,
When you conclude that it is an appearance, you are really saying it is
*only* an appearance. Then, it logically follows that creation did not
precede. By saying its is a mere appearance, you will have said that the
creation is not really there.
why is it
> > necessary to attribute an causal agent for that appearance?
An appearance without basis is not possible. The basis is the kalpita
jIva, who is the first to make an appearance who then has kalpita jagat.
This is the "as-though" sequence that Karikarakara talks of in VP.
If no causal
> > agency is needed, there is no necessity for drishTa srishTi to follow
> > srishTa drishTi before moksha.
In that case, you will have to attain mokSha without saying it is only an
> You also mentioned elsewhere that the dream drishTAnta is exclusively
> applicable to drishTi srishTi prakriyA.
I am not convinced that it is exclusively so.
> It is not necessary that every aspect of the drishTAnta will match every
> aspect of the dArshTAnta. All the person using this anumAna relies on is
> that the hetu that exists in svapna exists in the dArshTAnta too, in order
> to establish that the sAdhya (mithyAtva) that exists in svapna exists in
> the dArshTAnta also.
True, you have the answer to that yourself which is in the unstated hetu.
If sAdhya is mithyAtva, what is the singular aspect used as hetu in the
Thus, to postulate that the svapna jagat sriShTi kartritvam that exists in
> the dream is an absolute necessity as a stepping stone to moksha.
Each time you use the dream example
in what you say is SDV
, you are using the same hetu which is the only hetu used in DSV. What else
can it be then, but DSV!
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