[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Re: shankara speaking on behalf of or speaking to ??
H S Chandramouli
hschandramouli at gmail.com
Wed Dec 13 00:44:54 EST 2017
Reg << A person may practice and gain the ability to be in nirvikalpa
samadhi. But that is not a permanent possibility. If prarabdha is strong,
it will end the samadhi and give its effect. >>,
this nirvikalpa samadhi is the result of effort. prarabdha could end it.
In the case of nirvikalpa samadhi (being
continuously established in Atmaikatva vidyA (jnana) ) of a jnani, it is
not through effort. It is through jnana. prarabdha cannot end it.
2017-12-13 8:48 GMT+05:30 Ravi Kiran <ravikiranm108 at gmail.com>:
> 2017-12-13 8:44 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>:
>> In my opinion, the experience of prarabdha is karyanumeya: only after it
>> has been experienced one will infer that it is due to prarabdha karma.
>> avashyam anubhoktavyam krtam karma shubhaashubham is the rule. A person may
>> practice and gain the ability to be in nirvikalpa samadhi. But that is not
>> a permanent possibility. If prarabdha is strong, it will end the samadhi
>> and give its effect.
> Yes, agreed.. it is verily on the relative strengths, where one can
> overpower other..
> It can also be said that his ability to be in samadhi is also prarabdha.
>> 2017-12-13 8:07 GMT+05:30 Ravi Kiran via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:
>>> Namaste Sri Chandramouli Ji,
>>> From your below replies,
>>> > The jnani may
>>> > either “experience” it or allow it to just “happen” without
>>> > the prarabdha karma phala at his will.
>>> > ..the jnani does have
>>> > control or choice over “experience” of the same as explained above.
>>> >continuously established in Atmaikatva vidyA (jnana) “.
>>> Are you saying that, prarabdha karma fala just “happens” without
>>> “experience”, from this
>>> being continuously established in jnAna, standpoint ???
>>> As otherwise, prarabdha karma phala is experienced by Jivan-mukta, as
>>> Shankara Bhagavatpada says it clearly in his BSB 4.1.19
>>> अनारब्धकार्ययोः पुण्यपापयोर्विद्यासामर्थ्यात्क्षय उक्तः। इतरे तु
>>> आरब्धकार्ये *पुण्यपापे उपभोगेन* क्षपयित्वा ब्रह्म संपद्यते तस्य तावदेव
>>> यावन्न विमोक्ष्येऽथ संपत्स्ये इति ब्रह्मैव सन्ब्रह्माप्येति इति च
>>> एवमादिश्रुतिभ्यः। ननु सत्यपि सम्यग्दर्शने यथा प्राग्देहपाताद्भेददर्शनं
>>> द्विचन्द्रदर्शनन्यायेनानुवृत्तम् एवं पश्चादप्युनुवर्तेत न
>>> उपभोगशेषक्षपणं* हि तत्रानुवृत्तिनिमित्तम् न च तादृशमत्र किंचिदस्ति। ननु
>>> अपरः कर्माशयोऽभिनवमुपभोगमारप्स्यते न तस्य दग्धबीजत्वात्
>>> मिथ्याज्ञानावष्टम्भं हि कर्मान्तरं देहपात
>>> उपभोगान्तरमारभेत तच्च मिथ्याज्ञानं सम्यग्ज्ञानेन दग्धम् इत्यतः साध्वेतत्
>>> आरब्धकार्यक्षये विदुषः कैवल्यमवश्यं भवतीति।।
>>> This Sutra says that the Prârabdha works are destroyed through fruition,
>>> and though till then the knower of Brahman has to be in the relative
>>> as a Jivan-mukta, yet when these are exhausted by being worked out, he
>>> attains oneness with Brahman at death. He no longer sees any diversity,
>>> owing to the absence of any cause like the Prârabdha, and since all works
>>> including the Prârabdha are destroyed at death, he attains oneness with
>>> Brahman. [trans by Swami Vireswarananda]
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