[Advaita-l] Shankara and DrishTi-SrishTi vAda - eka jeeva vaada
aurobind.padiyath at gmail.com
Wed May 11 06:46:22 CDT 2016
The terms jIva, Iswara, jagat etc are all part of nAma rUpa of JAgrat only.
All these analysis are in prAtibhasikam only.
On Wed, 11 May 2016 17:02 Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> Namaste Sri Praveenji, Sri Anandji
> A follow-ups came to mind, thought I would share.
> 1) It is precisely for the reason that DSV reduces sattAs to only two,
> namely pAramArthika and prAtibhAsika, that some scholars (Martha Doherty et
> al) hold that DSV runs contrary to Shankaracharya's own beliefs. However,
> this view ignores Shankara's bhAshya on the MAndUkya kArika, where by
> denying a higher level of reality to the waking world vs. the dream world,
> in effect, Shankaracharya and Gaudapadacharya were talking of two levels of
> sattA also - pAramArthika and a mithyA one. This was the subject of the
> paper that I sent earlier to this group.
> 2) Secondly, the very interesting thing (at least from my perspective), is
> that Drishti-Srishti vAda effectively collapses the whole micro-macro
> jiva-Ishvara view that we are typically taught, into one single micro view,
> which is the cause for the apparent macro. For example, traditionally, we
> are first taught that the micro worldview comprises of vishvA, taijasA and
> prAjna; the macro worldview comprises of virAt, hiraNyagarbha and Ishvara.
> Then we are taught of the equivalence of the micro with the macro (vishvA
> with virAt, taijasA with hiraNyagarbha, prAjna with Ishvara). DSV does away
> with all that and starts off saying that the prAjna, who is none other than
> Ishvara, creates everything else - taijasA / vishvA and virAt /
> hiraNyagarbha! Pretty fascinating stuff.
> 3) Thirdly, the objection that people have about DSV - if DSV says the jIva
> creates the world, how come he does not have sarvajnatvam? - ignores a
> fundamental aspect of DSV. There is no ajnAta sattA (things that are not
> "perceived"/known, do not exist) at all in DSV. Essentially, what this
> means is that the jIva, is in fact sarvajna in DSV - for only things that
> he knows, can exist !
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Praveen R. Bhat via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > Namaste Anandji,
> > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Anand Hudli via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > One more astounding thing about DSV/eka-jIva-vAda, as
> > > elucidated brilliantly by PrakAshAnanda, is that he reduced the sattA
> > > traividhya of pAramArthika, vyAvahArika, and prAtibhAsika sattA to only
> > two
> > > pAramArthika and prAtibhAsika!
> > Thanks, this is precisely what I was thinking! Moreover, prAtibhAsika is
> > not completely freewill-based as people seem to think. I don't have the
> > choice to dream exactly what I want to dream, similar to SDV where
> > doesn't create the world as per his whims and fancies. So I would think
> > that the question as to why I created the world this way is as irrelevant
> > in DSV, inasmuch as it is in SDV as to why Ishvara created the world so.
> > just is so and it doesn't affect my mukti.
> > > There is no vyAvahArika sattA at all! Since
> > > the objects of the waking state are not any more real than those of
> > > dream state, why bother to call them vyAvahArika satya? They are
> > > prAtibhAsika satya too, not any better than dream objects. More on this
> > > later.
> > >
> > Unfortunately we hold on to prakriyAs/vAdas and reject others based on
> > one we understand, as if they are the ultimate truth and lose focus of
> > their purpose. Even in SDV, finally we have to say that not only jIva,
> > Ishvara, Shruti, bhashya, all are mithyA. Who imagined is a moot point
> > then. I remember what Pujya Swami Dayanandaji says in the context of
> > For some reason, people find it comparatively easy to say "I am brahman",
> > because they think that brahman is consciousness, so its not really a big
> > deal. However, when it comes to saying "I am Ishvara", people hesitate,
> > even scared! IMHO, this verisame thing is seen while assessing DSV.
> > BTW, as you said siddhAntapradIpikA doesn't seem to be available, even on
> > archive.org.
> > praNAm,
> > --Praveen R. Bhat
> > /* Through what should one know That owing to which all this is known!
> > [Br.Up. 4.5.15] */
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