[Advaita-l] The Tinged Brahman of Deep Sleep, etc.
Venkatesh Murthy (वेङ्कटेशः सीतारामार्यपुत्रः)
vmurthy36 at gmail.com
Thu Jun 30 01:11:20 CDT 2016
सुषुप्ते तु विक्षेपमात्रं निवृत्तम् तत्संस्कारोऽग्रहणं च नैव निवृत्ते
अन्यथा न तुरीयाद् भिद्येत विक्षेपमात्राभावात्तु ब्रह्मप्राप्त्यभिधानम्
Brahma Siddhi Kara Mandana Mishra has said this. He is the first one
to deny Vikshepa in Sushupti. Others have followed him. If Avarana
Sakti is also not there in Sushupti it will become just like Turiya.
That is not correct because nobody thinks he gets Moksha in deep
sleep. Why sometimes Sushupti is spoken as Brahma Prapti? Because
there is no Vikshepa in it. That is all. It does not mean it is
actually Brahma Prapti.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Venkatesh Murthy (वेङ्कटेशः
सीतारामार्यपुत्रः) <vmurthy36 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:02 AM, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> Namaste Sri Subbu ji,
>> Thank you for a very informative write up. My understanding is very much in
>> line with your article.
>> In a related matter, I had some issues reconciling /interpreting the
>> bhAshya of Br. Up. 4.3.21.
>> The specific vAkya I am having a problem reconciling with is :
>> यत आत्मकामम् — आत्मैव कामाः यस्मिन् रूपे, अन्यत्र प्रविभक्ता इव अन्यत्वेन
>> काम्यमानाः यथा जाग्रत्स्वप्नयोः, तस्य आत्मैव
>> अन्यत्वप्रत्युपस्थापकहेतोरविद्याया अभावात्
>> The translation from Swami Madhavananda: "Because all objects of desire are
>> but the self in this form. In states other than that of profound sleep,
>> i.e. in the waking and dreaming states, things are separated as it were,
>> from the self and desired as such. But to one who is fast asleep, they
>> become the self, since there is no ignorance to project the idea of
>> The last bit is particularly problematic, because it seems to say that
>> there is no ignorance in deep sleep state, and prima facie, seems to rule
>> out the presence of kAraNa sharIra (of the nature of ignorance) in deep
>> Any thoughts?
> The word Project above is important. In Sushupti there is no Vikshepa
> Sakti of Avidya. That Avidya has two Saktis. Avarana and Vikshepa. In
> Jagrat and Svapna Avasthas the two Saktis are present. But in Sushupti
> only Avarana Sakti is there and Vikshepa Sakti projecting objects is
> not there. The Avarana Sakti is hiding the Atman but no Duality is
> felt in Sushupti.
>> On 29 Jun 2016 6:40 p.m., "V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l" <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
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